Now, as some may know, I am English, and I obviously support England. I'm starting this topic in an epic quest to see why the Canadian is in the England squad so often. All I see of him is when he comes on for England, and I am utterly perplexed as to why he is even a professional player. When he plays for England, he has no position, is negative is his play, incredibly lightweight and altogether useless. He makes Phil Neville look good !. And Owen's in England's World Cup Squad !. So I ask, does he actually play well for Bayern ?. What is position ?. Why the hell does Sven pick him, what is his justification ?.
in the last 2-3 games he was doing it good. he was long time injured this season and is now back, but normally he isnt a starter here, but he has an contract because the Coach can use him where he needs him. he can play rightback, leftback, defensive midfield and right midfield. of course he isnt a worldclass player but he is a good boy. i dont know why he isnt doing it good for the english NT, i also dont know why Robert Huth is in the WC Squad of germany coaches are sometimes confusing
Hargreaves is an offensive threat and a really good one when he plays CDM. He is one of the best when it comes to the counter attack in eastern europe. He may not play well with you guys because you guys are so stacked with talent he can't show his worth. He can also play as a winger as well but not nearly as well as a center defensive mid. He may not deserve a WC spot, but he has been injured this past year, so I understand your frustration in him. He has just gotten back healthy a month or two ago and has been playing very well the past few weeks.
Well kicker magazine has him as the highest ranked outfield player on Bayern, just behind Kahn in the overall rankings. He was injured half the season and seems to me to be Magath's first choice for number 6, but I guess you know better.
He may be an offensive threat for you lot, but he has been offensive in another way for England. With regards to his injury, well he has been sh_t for England ever since he got his first cap, so that is not an excuse. It's nice to know he is rumoured to play in all these positions, as there are stories he has done a similar job whilst on the pitch in an England shirt. Maybe the Canadian plays all his good games for Bayern, but with regards to England, he has never, ever been fit enough to even be in a squad of 50 for a friendly. He is the most ineffective player I've seen.
yes but dont take Kicker Ranking to serious. its the same with the "11 of the gameday" they must give not so good players good notes, because they cant show every gameday an Team of the week with just players from the top5 teams. he is definatly not Magaths first choice for the defensive Midfield!! Ismael is banned, thats why Demichelis must go to the CB-Position and Hargreaves can play at defensiv midfielder. sorry but why you are so arrogant??
Those who are seriously questioning why Hargreaves is nominated for England, should definitely clean their glasses! Hargreaves made a tremendous jump forward this season in his performances and he is still only 25 years old, and even as he was younger he took so many superstars completely out of the game in Bayern's triumph year in Europe 2001. He simply is an excellent man marker and besides that he is versatile and quick enough to play on various positions. THe only reason why you don't like him is, cause he never played and will play in England
Yes, I know it better. He is definitely not the first choice for the DM but he outclassed Demichelis on this position lately, and this is definitely not easy, cause Micho is the best DM Bayern had for a long time
In a couple words....great utility player. However, when it comes to a tournament such as the World Cup, and when you have the depth at a variety of positions, it probably mean a lot less. And to reenforce what Duncan said, he is a great man marker for one on one situations.
You want a player to step up for big games. Hargreaves does that. His injuries this season have led to lots of questions about his worth. I think Magath and SGE are the better judges than the posters on this forum. Is that arrogance?
He is outstanding in medium to long ranged shots and pretty good in executing set pieces too. He is a tough tackler. He has improved his game substantially from last season and still on the rise. His defficiency: too much competition at Bayern and not enough playtime. And in England, they will not give him much playtime internationally although he has made up a bit of that from Bayern's matches in CL. He has very good potential to be a top defensive mid. Tell England to give Hargreaves more chances to play in the world cup!
man screw England, i wish we had 5 just like him in the German NT. freakin klinsmann huth lehmann ...........dsgkjastjjgklsdgjsag arghhhh
hey im canadian too and i think he is a great player... should play for canada though... anyway he was picked by sven, and even though sven is an idiot, i think that says something.
I'm with DF here, he's a fantastic utility player with a very good work ethic. He's also one of the most devoted Bayern players, who I can safely say is proud to wear the badge on his chest. Sven isn't using him right, If I remember correctly, it's been some time since he played in the DM position for England because that's where he can be most effective. Again, he's a great lad who works his ass off, is pacey, good with both feet, and deadly ones too, and has a great sense of picking out players in regards to long distance passing. And on a final note, Sven is a prick.
There are plenty of other more perplexing problems when it comes to the English NT and Sven.... Hargreaves should be the least of his worries, he is a very dependable player. Take a look at the games he played in our CL winning seasons...he was crucial in manmarking against Madrid.
He can play the no 6 in a diamond, but you have to know, that he will not stay in your own half but will try to go in attack mode very often. That on one hand can strengthen the offense, but on the other hand sometimes leaves a hole for counter attacks. His best position would be one of two more defensive midfielders in a 4 on a line midfield, or even better one of two defensive midfielders in a 5 players midfield. And if I look at Englands nomination, only 4 forwards, 2 of them injured, 1 only 17, it seems to me, that it is Svens plan, to play a 4-5-1 system. Maybe something like this is in Svens mind:: -----------Owen Cole------Lampard------Beckham --Hargreaves---Gerrard Really importance for the english team Hargreaves could reach, if a special mission has to be taken. He is superb in taking great playmakers out of the game by manmarking. If you have to fight Totti, Ronaldhino, Ballack, Riquelme, in k.o. stages, Hargreaves could make the difference.
As good as that idea might be, don't kid yourself into thinking Sven will give Owen that time of day. He was only picked as a right back replacement because he is too big of a pansie to include Luke Young or other more important players for that matter. Makes me glad to have Klinsman on board in a sense, poor English fans...
You're quite right. The only other reason I can think of is that he might be able to assist Sven when it comes to a penalty shoot out with Germany....
what the fock are you guys talking about ? hargreaves is better than half the players if not more on the english team. the focking english think they have a great team. you guys suck. look at the game against france in 04 sven did his job but at the end you guys blew it. in 02, sven was the one who beat argentina. he is a great coach it is just the english suck. sven is the best thing to ever happen to england. focking ungreatful mother fockers. just wait until maclaren takes over and you will see. when was the last time an english coach won anything? anything at all? this is the bayern board, we are not here to talk about england and if you want to bash our player go do it somewhere else. hey forevered, how can you be happy to have klinsi as a coach? you should not have said poor english fans, but poor german fans. hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if the english NT does not win in 06 they will never win. their best shot is with sven and not with an english coach because those suck.
A few things, first of all, calm down man. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're toooooooo angry maaaaaaaaaaaaan. Sven was a great coach, I don't think its working with him at England, he just hasn't made the right choices and yes England have a habit of chocking in big tournaments. Look at Sven's selection for this summer's world cup man....come on...you have to start questioning Sven's mental state when he picks a 17 year old who has never played in the premiership before, let alone the English Senior NT. Plus, he didn't pick the highest scoring english striker in the league, that makes no sense whatsoever. Second, I love Hargreaves, but as a coach forming a team for the WC, i wouldn't pick him over a player like Luke Young, as a right back. First of all, Hargreaves isn't even a natural right back. He also hasn't played all season and Young has been one of the bright spots for Charlton this season in their usual downward spiral. I was just being figuartive about Klinsman. I've got quite a few problems with Jurgen as well but I think Sven's poor decisions along with the injured Rooney will be a big reason England won't win, if they in fact choke again, and not because England sucks. On paper, England has the best team in the world.
who the ******** is luke young? man you would pick luke young over hargreaves, hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok england will lose because they suck not because of sven. could not do anything else. maybe he could have left out crouch because crouch is worthless. anyway it is not my problem i just don't like it when people criticize our players.
England had soo much potential going into this WC, up until a couple of weeks ago. Once Rooney got hurt, and then Sven went crazy!! its all downhill from here
Well if you don't watch English football, you can't really judge the team. And I'm not criticising Hargreaves, I'm criticising SGE.