George Allen - A redneck from ... Palos Verdes

Discussion in 'Elections' started by Revolt, Apr 27, 2006.

  1. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
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    WTF????

    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/04/27/allens_race_problem.html

    Perhaps the southern folks can help me here. Is this going to be an issue that hurts Allen in his Senate re-election bid? (I tend to think not.)
     
  2. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
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    FC Dallas
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    United States
    In a state that's slowly turning blue, it very well may. It wouldn't make a difference in Tennessee or Alabama, that's for sure.
     
  3. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    Maybe he's just a huge fan of Dukes of Hazzard.
     
  4. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    United States
    I grew up in Palos Verdes. When I was at PVHS, very few students knew the significance of the confederate flag, and it's not like there were a bunch of black students there to correct them (there were fewer than 10 in our graduating class of 400+ in 1988).

    But that was 20 years or so after George Allen was there. It was probably different in the 60s -- at least, the significance of people knowing the flag, not the black students thing, I don't think there were ever very many of those in PV.
     
  5. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    I'm no fan of George Allen but I refuse to worry about assholish things he did in high school. God help us all if our careers depended on not having said, done and thought stupid things in high school.
     
  6. NSlander

    NSlander Member

    Feb 28, 2000
    LA CA

    I dunno. I grew up down the hill in Torrance and then Redondo, and I can state unequivocally I cannot recall one single student who would not have understood the significance of the Confederate flag. None. Of course Bishop Montgomery in 1985 was decidedly more racially mixed than PV in the 60’s, but I refuse to believe ANYBODY, much less the product of a highly regarded school district in such an affluent area could NOT equate that symbol with racism. I guess your experiences vary with mine. Perhaps the benefit of a Catholic education? ;)
     
  7. NSlander

    NSlander Member

    Feb 28, 2000
    LA CA
    Again, I dunno. There is a qualitative difference between garden variety "youthful indiscretion" and assertive conduct suggesting malice. This is the latter.

    For an aspiring politician, displaying the Confederate flag is strict liability.
     
  8. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    Maybe I should rephrase it. Most students at PVHS in the 80s would have understood intellectually what the flag meant, but given very little contact with actual blacks, the majority most likely would not have understood the emotional impact the flag has as a symbol for some people.

    I could see my classmates in the 80s using the flag as a form of rebellion, if you'll pardon the pun. Not racism, but, "look at me, I'm a badass by using this flag which my elders told me was not cool" without realizing that for a lot of people seeing the flag is painful.

    I think it would have been different in the 60s though -- PV was not as elitist then, and current events involving racism were closer to the forefront.
     
  9. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Allen's behavior would earn him kudos in many parts of the south, including parts of Virginia, by people who still see absolutely nothing wrong with the stars and bars.
     
  10. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    The other problem with his story about not knowing a specific racial meaning for the flag is another story he tells in the article -- this one about driving through the South during the freedom rides, seeing burning crosses on the horizon, and realizing it might not be so safe to be driving around with Illinois plates. Those stories simply don't fit together in any believable manner.
     
  11. 352klr

    352klr Member+

    Jan 29, 2001
    The Burgh of Edin
    Go to www.webbforsenate.com and listen to Jim Webb's stump speech it automatically plays. Pretty damn good for a two-month veteran of campaign politics. Allen doesn't have a leg to stand on against him, and combine it with the success that Kaine and Warner had in the past two Governors elections and there's hope for Webb.
     
  12. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
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  13. NORML

    NORML Member+

    Aug 9, 2002
    Lake Wobegon, MN
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    I'd like to hear Allen's explanation for his "welcome to America" statement.
     
  14. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
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    From the horse's mouth. Or rather his ass, considering the fact that the explanation is blatant bullshit.

    http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/08/sen_george_alle_1.html
     
  15. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
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  16. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    I'm curious to hear how this is playing in rural/conservative Virginia.
     
  17. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
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  18. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    From the Salon article to which I linked earlier in the other thread:

    Instantly believable.......:rolleyes:
     
  19. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Wow, that's even better than the initial set of quotes. She's done a great job of keeping her book in the news - and selling copies.

    In fact, this is the bes thing since the sports star who said he was misquoted in his autobiography.
     
  20. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    Oh, now this clears everything up!

    http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/08/a_new_explanati.html

     
  21. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Kos' take on what Allen meant:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/15/24235/4044
     
  22. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    Indeed, pretty much every article says the same. That Allen most likely got that word from his mother and her knowledge of African French. From the Salon.com article where I originally saw this:

     
  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    United States
    Since the Kos analysis is posted, here's the Redstate take:

    http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2006/the_manufactured_controversy

    Interestingly, a good portion of readers seem to be anti-Allen on this. The only good "Republican point" I see is that Biden seemingly got a free pass on his comment, which was clearly just as--if not more--offensive than Allen's.

    Ultimately, I think the analysis from Larry Sabato--that it doesn't hurt in '06, but it's the nail in the coffin for '08--is close to accurate. I personally already thought he was done for '08, but this helps seal the deal. I see Allen getting re-elected, then running for his old Governor's seat in 2009. Win or lose, that will be the end of his elected political career.
     
  24. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    DC United
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    United States
    I'm amazed Allen has made it as far as he has. He's widely reputed to be the dumbest bag of hammers on the hill.
     
  25. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    No, no, that's not dumb, that's "folksy."
     

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