Contiditional tickets thread

SoccerDino · Apr 28, 2006

This seems crazy. I go on there and use my dad's info since I already have a TST. Of course I use my own credit card. Who knows if I will get anything....

morg56 · Apr 28, 2006

Loads of GREEN again now on conditional tickets!

Weird and unexpected - not sure if this is good or bad - could be loads more returns expected or could just be greed on FIFA's part?

morg56 · Apr 28, 2006

Update:

Green

#1 Germany - Costa Rica 09.06.2006 Munich 305,00 €
#3 England - Paraguay 10.06.2006 Frankfurt 105,00 €
#17 Germany - Poland 14.06.2006 Dortmund 105,00 €
#33 Ecuador - Germany 20.06.2006 Berlin 105,00 €
#46 Switzerland - Korea Republic 23.06.2006 Hanover 105,00 €
#50 (Round of sixteen) WC - RD 24.06.2006 Leipzig 125,00 €
#51 (Round of sixteen) WB - RA 25.06.2006 Stuttgart 125,00 €
#52 (Round of sixteen) WD - RC 25.06.2006 Nuremberg 125,00 €
#53 (Round of sixteen) WE - RF 26.06.2006 Kaiserslautern 125,00 €
#54 (Round of sixteen) WG - RH 26.06.2006 Cologne 125,00 €
#55 (Round of sixteen) WF - RE 27.06.2006 Dortmund 125,00 €
#56 (Round of sixteen) WH - RG 27.06.2006 Hanover 125,00 €
------ Quarter Final ------
#57 (Quarter final) W49 - W50 30.06.2006 Berlin 185,00 €
#58 (Quarter final) W53 - W54 30.06.2006 Hamburg 185,00 €
#59 (Quarter final) W51 - W52 01.07.2006 Gelsenkirchen 185,00 €
#60 (Quarter final) W55 - W56 01.07.2006 Frankfurt 185,00 €
------ Semi Final ------
#61 (Semi-final) W57 - W58 04.07.2006 Dortmund 405,00 €
#62 (Semi-final) W59 - W60 05.07.2006 Munich 405,00 €
------ 3rd Place ------
#63 (3rd Place) R61 - R62 08.07.2006 Stuttgart 125,00 €
------ Final ------
#64 (Final) W61 - W62 09.07.2006 Berlin 605,00 €

Yellow

#2 Poland - Ecuador 09.06.2006 Gelsenkirchen 105,00 €
#6 Serbia and Montenegro - Netherlands 11.06.2006 Leipzig 105,00 €
#7 Mexico - Iran 11.06.2006 Nuremberg 105,00 €
#8 Angola - Portugal 11.06.2006 Cologne 105,00 €
#9 Italy - Ghana 12.06.2006 Hanover 105,00 €
#10 USA - Czech Republic 12.06.2006 Gelsenkirchen 105,00 €
#11 Brazil - Croatia 13.06.2006 Berlin 105,00 €
#12 Australia - Japan 12.06.2006 Kaiserslautern 105,00 €
#13 France - Switzerland 13.06.2006 Stuttgart 105,00 €
#14 Korea Republic - Togo 13.06.2006 Frankfurt 105,00 €
#15 Spain - Ukraine 14.06.2006 Leipzig 105,00 €
#16 Tunisia - Saudi Arabia 14.06.2006 Munich 105,00 €
#18 Ecuador - Costa Rica 15.06.2006 Hamburg 105,00 €
#21 Argentina - Serbia and Montenegro 16.06.2006 Gelsenkirchen 105,00 €
#22 Netherlands - Côte d'Ivoire 16.06.2006 Stuttgart 105,00 €
#23 Mexico - Angola 16.06.2006 Hanover 105,00 €
#26 Czech Republic - Ghana 17.06.2006 Cologne 105,00 €
#27 Brazil - Australia 18.06.2006 Munich 105,00 €
#29 France - Korea Republic 18.06.2006 Leipzig 105,00 €
#30 Togo - Switzerland 19.06.2006 Dortmund 105,00 €
#31 Spain - Tunisia 19.06.2006 Stuttgart 105,00 €
#32 Saudi Arabia - Ukraine 19.06.2006 Hamburg 105,00 €
#34 Costa Rica - Poland 20.06.2006 Hanover 105,00 €
#35 Sweden - England 20.06.2006 Cologne 105,00 €
#36 Paraguay - Trinidad and Tobago 20.06.2006 Kaiserslautern 105,00 €
#37 Netherlands - Argentina 21.06.2006 Frankfurt 105,00 €
#38 Côte d'Ivoire - Serbia and Montenegro 21.06.2006 Munich 105,00 €
#39 Portugal - Mexico 21.06.2006 Gelsenkirchen 105,00 €
#40 Iran - Angola 21.06.2006 Leipzig 105,00 €
#41 Czech Republic - Italy 22.06.2006 Hamburg 105,00 €
#42 Ghana - USA 22.06.2006 Nuremberg 105,00 €
#43 Japan - Brazil 22.06.2006 Dortmund 105,00 €
#44 Croatia - Australia 22.06.2006 Stuttgart 105,00 €
#45 Togo - France 23.06.2006 Cologne 105,00 €
#47 Saudi Arabia - Spain 23.06.2006 Kaiserslautern 105,00 €
#48 Ukraine - Tunisia 23.06.2006 Berlin 105,00 €
------ Round of Sixteen ------
#49 (Round of sixteen) WA - RB 24.06.2006 Munich 125,00 €

Red

#4 Trinidad and Tobago - Sweden 10.06.2006 Dortmund 105,00 €
#5 Argentina - Côte d'Ivoire 10.06.2006 Hamburg 105,00 €
#19 England - Trinidad and Tobago 15.06.2006 Nuremberg 105,00 €
#20 Sweden - Paraguay 15.06.2006 Berlin 105,00 €
#24 Portugal - Iran 17.06.2006 Frankfurt 105,00 €
#25 Italy - USA 17.06.2006 Kaiserslautern 105,00 €
#28 Japan - Croatia 18.06.2006 Nuremberg 105,00 €

morg56 · Apr 28, 2006

Have just spoken to FIFA customer services - apparently the changes are down to 2 reasons:

1) They are getting updated information on a daily basis regarding likely returns.

2) They have had a large number of conditional ticket orders cancelled - they believe that many people did not understand the concept and thought they were applying for 'real' tickets.

nelsonb97 · Apr 28, 2006

morg56 said:

Have just spoken to FIFA customer services - apparently the changes are down to 2 reasons:

1) They are getting updated information on a daily basis regarding likely returns.

2) They have had a large number of conditional ticket orders cancelled - they believe that many people did not understand the concept and thought they were applying for 'real' tickets.
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Did you ask them when they will start the distribution of the conditional tickets ?

morg56 · Apr 28, 2006

No, but on their website it says allocation phase will start 5th May and end 36 hours prior to each match. Tickets will be allocated as and when received in this period.

Simster · Apr 28, 2006

Not sure if I am getting unreasonably excited here, but I've just spoken to ticket sales customer services on 49 18 05 64 62 64:

I had two specific questions:

Q1: "I applied for tix at the beginning of his round of conditional ticket sales on Monday. What are the chances of getting the tix I asked for"
A: "Very good". She offered the following explanation: Priority goes to people who applied in the last round of conditional ticket sales, but the fact remains that they have only allowed as many conditional orders as they expect to have returned. In truth, they might get fewer returns, they might get more, but from their estimates they say that if you've applied for tix, then the chances of a ticket are very good.

Q2: "Can I apply for phase V tix if I have already applied through the conditional tix programme?
A: "No problem". Go for it. If you are successful in the phase V application for any match, then that match will be automatically deducted from your conditional sales application.

I am now officially (and perhaps naiively) excited about my prospects of getting TOP NOTCH tix.

OffToGermany · Apr 28, 2006

Someone please help me.

As I understand it, no matter how many games I requested in this conditional ticket phase, the most I will get is just one game. Correct? The first one they allocate to me is it. Correct? Then that's it. Correct?

Also, what time in the US (eastern) does this next phase start on May 1

morg56 · Apr 28, 2006

Simster I'm not so sure!

Theoretically each game has to be over subscribed by at least x 7 if FIFA are to ensure they reach their goal of having full stadiums for each game.

This is because FIFA allow you to apply for 7 games in the conditional phase - but you are only able to receive a maximum of 1 game.

Example:

Eng v Swe, Eng v T&T, Eng v Par, R16, QF, SF, Final

Lets say FIFA expect 1,000 returned tickets for each of these 7 games

They therefore only allow 1,000 conditional ticket applications for each game.

However all of the 1,000 applications for Eng v Swe also have the other 6 games on - therefore all games would appear as sold out on FIFA site.

In this situation FIFA actually have 7,000 tickets but only 1,000 eligible applications.

The solution for FIFA:

Allow applications x7 expected ticket returns.

Therefore in above situation you would have 7,000 tickets and 7,000 applications = everyone gets 1 game out of the 7 they applied for and FIFA has full stadiums.

The alternative solution is that eg. the remaining 6,000 tickets are sold off in phase 5. - possible but unlikely.

The only encouragement I can see from this phase is that FIFA are actually limiting applications in relation to the number of tickets - therefore I would suggest that if returns are as expected everyone who enters should have a minimum of 1 in 10 chance of getting a game.

morg56 · Apr 28, 2006

Jimbo said:

FIFA must have revised its estimates as many games are now green again.
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see posts on previous page.

morg56 · Apr 28, 2006

OffToGermany said:

Someone please help me.

As I understand it, no matter how many games I requested in this conditional ticket phase, the most I will get is just one game. Correct? The first one they allocate to me is it. Correct? Then that's it. Correct?

Also, what time in the US (eastern) does this next phase start on May 1
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Correct

RichardL · Apr 28, 2006

morg56 said:

Simster I'm not so sure!

Theoretically each game has to be over subscribed by at least x 7 if FIFA are to ensure they reach their goal of having full stadiums for each game.

This is because FIFA allow you to apply for 7 games in the conditional phase - but you are only able to receive a maximum of 1 game.

Example:

Eng v Swe, Eng v T&T, Eng v Par, R16, QF, SF, Final

Lets say FIFA expect 1,000 returned tickets for each of these 7 games

They therefore only allow 1,000 conditional ticket applications for each game.

However all of the 1,000 applications for Eng v Swe also have the other 6 games on - therefore all games would appear as sold out on FIFA site.

In this situation FIFA actually have 7,000 tickets but only 1,000 eligible applications.

The solution for FIFA:

Allow applications x7 expected ticket returns.

Therefore in above situation you would have 7,000 tickets and 7,000 applications = everyone gets 1 game out of the 7 they applied for and FIFA has full stadiums.

The alternative solution is that eg. the remaining 6,000 tickets are sold off in phase 5. - possible but unlikely.

The only encouragement I can see from this phase is that FIFA are actually limiting applications in relation to the number of tickets - therefore I would suggest that if returns are as expected everyone who enters should have a minimum of 1 in 10 chance of getting a game.
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I think the previous conversation was saying that they only take conditional orders for the tickets they'll think they'll get back per game not overall, meaning that if they think they'll get 1000 back for England v Paraguay, then the list for that game will be limited to 1000.

You've also assumed that everyone will have applied for 7 games. I doubt that is true. After all, nobody is going to be applying conditionally for Iran v Angola type games, just games they really want.

Of course, as ever, everybody is left guessing as FIFA's policy on such matters aren't exactly transparent.

morg56 · Apr 28, 2006

RichardL said:

I think the previous conversation was saying that they only take conditional orders for the tickets they'll think they'll get back per game not overall, meaning that if they think they'll get 1000 back for England v Paraguay, then the list for that game will be limited to 1000.

Exactly, and it is not realistic to think this - the point is that if the 1000 applications which included Eng v Par have at least 1 other game on them for which tickets have already been allocated then FIFA could have up to 1000 tickets left over for which nobody is eligible (through conditionals). I think it extremely unlikely that FIFA would not have thought this through since the purpose of the conditional tickets is to ensure that stadiums are full

RichardL said:

You've also assumed that everyone will have applied for 7 games. I doubt that is true. After all, nobody is going to be applying conditionally for Iran v Angola type games, just games they really want.

Not assuming this, in fact I myself have only applied for 2 matches - just highlighting the worst case scenario, which i'm sure FIFA would have worked out as well. The reality when starting this phase was that each applicant COULD apply for up to 7 games, meaning its only sensible for them to over subscribe games by at least 7 times. This is the only way to ensure that available conditional tickets for popular games are sold out and it gives more people a chance to get games which they want to see.
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stephenvd · Apr 28, 2006

If you have already been allocated for 3 games in sales phase 4, can I apply for 4 tickets in this conditional phase?

Or do you need to have 0 games on your name?

HSV Hooligan · Apr 28, 2006

stephenvd said:

If you have already been allocated for 3 games in sales phase 4, can I apply for 4 tickets in this conditional phase?

Or do you need to have 0 games on your name?
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You can apply for up to 7 games, but the most you will be allocated is one game. Read the thread (and the rules) as this has been stated SEVERAL times here.

Timanfaya · Apr 28, 2006

stephenvd said:

If you have already been allocated for 3 games in sales phase 4, can I apply for 4 tickets in this conditional phase?

Or do you need to have 0 games on your name?
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As long as you haven't already been allocated tickets to 7 games (or any sort of TST) then you can apply in the conditional phase.

And then, the number of games you apply for in the conditional phase is completely up to you, because you will only be allocated tickets to one game, maximum, so there's no chance of you exceeding your 7-game limit.

stephenvd · Apr 28, 2006

thanks for your help Timanfaya!

It was for my friend, I've got my own tst-7 of italy.
I've got enough with that, I'm only fishing to see sweden-england.

FIXXXER · Apr 28, 2006

Forgive me for not reading 13 pgs of posts as this may have already been answered, but I have applied for conditional tickets through FIFA. With this can I still try to get tickets through Phase 5 on May 1st?

Simster · Apr 28, 2006

FIXXXER said:

Forgive me for not reading 13 pgs of posts as this may have already been answered, but I have applied for conditional tickets through FIFA. With this can I still try to get tickets through Phase 5 on May 1st?
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*tch*. How about just reading this last page then?

HSV Hooligan · Apr 28, 2006

Re: Conditional tickets thread

Simster said:

*tch*. How about just reading this last page then?
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Too much work, I guess...it's alot easier just to keep posting the exact same question that everyone else has in the same thread...and it's also too much to ask them to try reading FIFA's rules first too. Oh well, I'm sure someone will answer the question anyway.

hat|trick · Apr 28, 2006

I just applied for Contiditional tickets, but when I'm now trying to log in to Costumer Self Service I get this message:

"Leider konnte der Bestellprozess nicht durchgeführt werden.

Bitte überprüfen Sie, ob die Verwendung von Cookies in den Einstellungen Ihres Browsers zugelassen ist. Für die ordnungsgemäße Durchführung des Bestellprozesses wird die Verwendung von Cookies vorausgesetzt.

Um zum Ticketshop zurück zu kehren, verwenden Sie bitte den Zurück-Button Ihres Browser oder rufen die Internetadresse des Ticketshops in der Adresszeile Ihres Browsers erneut auf.

Wir bitten um Ihr Verständnis und freuen uns auf Ihren Besuch"

My german isn't the best, so I wounder if anyone can help me?

genemish1 · Apr 28, 2006

hat|trick said:

I just applied for Contiditional tickets, but when I'm now trying to log in to Costumer Self Service I get this message:

"Leider konnte der Bestellprozess nicht durchgeführt werden.

Bitte überprüfen Sie, ob die Verwendung von Cookies in den Einstellungen Ihres Browsers zugelassen ist. Für die ordnungsgemäße Durchführung des Bestellprozesses wird die Verwendung von Cookies vorausgesetzt.

Um zum Ticketshop zurück zu kehren, verwenden Sie bitte den Zurück-Button Ihres Browser oder rufen die Internetadresse des Ticketshops in der Adresszeile Ihres Browsers erneut auf.

Wir bitten um Ihr Verständnis und freuen uns auf Ihren Besuch"

My german isn't the best, so I wounder if anyone can help me?
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It's an issue with Cookies... keep trying or close and reopen your browser.

yaz2k1 · Apr 28, 2006

FIXXXER said:

Forgive me for not reading 13 pgs of posts as this may have already been answered, but I have applied for conditional tickets through FIFA. With this can I still try to get tickets through Phase 5 on May 1st?
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yes!
but please read before you ask.

SoccerDino · Apr 28, 2006

So the deal is that the conditional tickets, which I am trying to get three pairs, one of them a round of 16 in Nurnburg, are going to be alloted AFTER the next phase of ticketing has already started?

SO basically if one can get in on Monday, then you can just cancel the conditionals. Seems pretty screwed up to me....

Simster · Apr 28, 2006

SoccerDino said:

So the deal is that the conditional tickets, which I am trying to get three pairs, one of them a round of 16 in Nurnburg, are going to be alloted AFTER the next phase of ticketing has already started?

SO basically if one can get in on Monday, then you can just cancel the conditionals. Seems pretty screwed up to me....
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Try on Monday. Any tix you do get will be cancelled from your conditional order for you.

I can't see the problem myself.