Lets trade Mulrooney and our first round pick for the allocation to land JOB. Even if Chivas does not want Mulrooney (no idea why except he does not speak Spanish, than they could trade him in a three team deal) Who is in favor of this.
So he could miss a month of the season with the World Cup (not including pre-Cup camp...) and be broken for the rest of it? No, thank you.
IMO, after Ruiz, Mulrooney is the second most untradeable player on FCD. This organization wouldn't trade him straight-up for JOB, further I think he (JOB) has very little value to any team in MLS given his continuous injury situation. This is a very physical league after all. Again I don't think only team would trade a core player for this guy.
A month of the season...how long did Richard play last year? Mark my words...JOB will not have a serious injury for a while. IMO The MLS game is not as physical as what he is used to. He will not be playing hurt during two to three games a week. JOB will be fine. I can lose him for seven or so games. Its not like the MLS regular season means anything anyway, all we need him for is the playoffs.
This is a rediculous trade. Richard Mulrooney was our MVP last season before he got injured. Too solid of a player to trade for a massive question mark in JOB.
First, MLS is considered a "physical" league, so I doubt there will be that much difference from the dutch league. Second, most of O'Brien's injuries have been muscle/ligament/tendon pull related (hamstring, groin, quad, etc.) which are not as directly linked to contact with other players. If he were suffering from frequent breaks or contusions that would be more indicative of physical contact. JOB's history is extremely injury prone, to suddenly expect that to change is hopeful, but somewhat delusional. I am the first one to hope he is injury free from now on, but I find that doubtful and any MLS team will take it into account before moving on him.
I'll stick with Mulrooney. Now if they could move someone else like Vanney and get JOB I am all for it.
Buzz, recovered from your jet lag now... by the way great reports from the trip. I have heard the Vanney or Vanney-Valakari for O'Brien rumors, which might jive with the Vanney's odd playing time recently. My concern with trading Vanney, is it leaves us 4 very young central defenders, which leave us lacking in both depth and experience in central defence. Any word on FCD looking at central defenders? This might be a hint FCD would be looking to move Vanney
You're kidding. The league that gave us Jaap Stam is not as physical as MLS that is quite funny. Seriously I may have mis represented myself with the wording I used earlier. When i said "physical," i was referring to day in day out commitments...see below. No they are not physical related but when you are playing a league game on Sunday, and a Champions League, Uefa Cup, and/or Dutch Cup game each week, averaging almost 2 if not three games a week, will harm a weak ligament. Playing nearly 45 to 50 games a year could hurt anyones ligaments. How many games a year does FC Dallas play, knowing that the US Open Cup is not taken seriously until later rounds, and thus JOB may only have to play in a subs role for many of those games. Let me also say that I am all for the Vanney deal, but I just find it unlikely that anyone will give up JOB for Vanney. I would love to keep Richard if possible, but their is more of an upside (i feel) to JOB.
Very valid point, but O'Brien never played consistently enough where he got 45 to 50 games in a year. In fact IRC he has played 8 competitive matches for his club teams in the last two years. You are right Mulrooney missed much of last season, but his injury record prior to the torn ACL was quite good, in fact he was considered one of the MLS "iron men". I would hate to trade away FCD's best midfielder for the hope that O'Brien stays healthy on a consistent basis for the first time in several years.
Its the idea that when he was healthy he was being pushed to a point that he could have gotten 45 games a year that caused an injury. No he didnt get the games, but was being pushed to a point where he could have. LET ME REPHASE IF WE CAN KEEP MULROONEY AND GET JOB IN THE PROCESS WHILE LOSING VANNEY AND MAYBE VALAKARI AND A PICK I WOULD DO IT I am not going to post on this topic anymore, I want to see what other people have to say without me influencing (for good or bad). So guys have at it. drace768 stay strong to you opinion. I enjoy a little mini-debate every once in a while.
This is very hard because of salary cap concerns. Unlimited budget? Of course. Realistically, it depends on for how much and who would be given up in a trade. If he is truly healthy having a midfield of JOB Mulrooney Nunez ROB would be phenomenal. That is of course if one of those is not who would have to be dealt to get him. I cannot believe the Vanney / Valakari rumours but would be in favor of that with a reasonable assurance of good health for John.
Yes. But I have not dried out from being in Atlanta. I think this is a case where one guy says "I wonder if" and the next guy says "Hey I heard that" and the Vanney thing I have an idea on, not related to JOB... I am working on it. zero. If they are willing to trade Vanney it will be cause Moor is ready, not cause they are after something else.
Ok I asked... CC says, "if he signs with MLS, and then he slips down to us (at #4) then sure we would have some interest." In other words it's someone at the top of the list that JOB is talking to, and the price to move up to get JOB would be very steep. Which is what I had guessed was the case.
I'm hearing a lot of JOB to Chivas USA chatter out there.....sounds like a signing will happen any moment. Kind of blows the "Chivas is a bunch of racists bastards" discussion out of the water.
All they've gotta do is add a random Z into the middle of his last name and he'll fit right in. Why do you think they've got Brad Guzan?
I love John O'Brien. I freely admit it. I have, in fact, offered publicly to bear him a lovechild, which would be no mean feat since I am not a female. I dearly hope he can stay healthy wherever he ends up. BUT I don't understand how he can currently be evaluated as anything other than damaged goods. 2-3 years of near continuous injuries is not a fluke. Poor guy must have the gene for ligaments that are the consistency of taffy. I would be supremely upset if FC Dallas acquired him and paid what appears to be his "fair market value". He's not worth it, I don't trust his knees, ankles, etc. That being said, I'm really pulling for the guy.
I'll tell you this, if he's healthy and back in form, he instantly improves Chivas USA by quite a bit. A really strong central midfielder in MLS can be a real difference maker. The West just got tougher.