12 Books that changed the world

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  1. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
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    Not sure if this is the right forum, Mods please do move it if you think not. But Melvyn Bragg, author, critic, TV art show programme host and part-time windbag, has compiled a list of 12 (British) books that changed the world, as stimulus for a debate that will form part of the new series of his flagship arts programme, The South Bank Show.


    I thought the list was interesting:

    CHARLES DARWIN, THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES, 1859

    MARIE STOPES, MARRIED LOVE, 1918

    WILLIAM WILBERFORCE, SPEECH TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, 1789

    MARY WOLLSTONECRAFT, A VINDICATION OF THE RIGHTS OF WOMAN, 1792

    MAGNA CARTA, 1215

    THE KING JAMES BIBLE, 1611

    MICHAEL FARADAY, EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH IN ELECTRICITY, 1855

    THE FIRST RULE BOOK OF THE FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION, 1863

    PATENT SPECIFICATION FOR ARKWRIGHT'S SPINNING MACHINE, 1769

    WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, FIRST FOLIO, 1623

    ADAM SMITH, THE WEALTH OF NATIONS, 1776

    ISAAC NEWTON, PRINCIPIA MATHEMATICA, 1687

    Point to make: these are not intended to be THE 12 books that changed the world, that would obviously be preposterous. And some of them are not strictly books, but there you go.

    My first point would be - what, no novels?
     
  2. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    Matt, I think the only seminal "novel" England has is Robinson Crusoe (many literary critics consider it the very first novel) and I don't think its quite as admired now as it once was. So what novel would you pick?
    On a European scale, certainly the Divine Comedy and Don Quixote would qualify. Perhaps the Decameron as well. (Talking about novels only, of course.)
     
  3. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
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    Yeah - Cervantes would be an obvious inclusion from that perspective. But the word "Dickens" also springs to mind. His writing, infused as it was by the desire (one could argue "need") to hold a mirror up to Victorian society, can reasonably be argued to have changed the world, insofar as it became a leitmotif for the progressive social causes of the day.
     
  4. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

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    This thread is probably better off in the History forum, on reflection.
     
  5. whirlwind

    whirlwind New Member

    Apr 4, 2000
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    An American version would probably need to include Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle", if only because it forever altered eighth grade school reading lists.

    :D
     
  6. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    I guess, but which one would you choose? Great Expectations? David Copperfield? Even after you get past the obvious "he wrote for newspapers and was paid by the word" issue. ;)
     
  7. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
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    Is Canterbury Tales a poem?
     
  8. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

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    Well - Oliver Twist, Barnaby Rudge and The Battle of Life would be the most significant in the terms I mentioned in my previous post, although only the first of those now counts amongst his greatest works.

    Personally, I would also make a strong case for Blake's "Songs of Experience", which is not a novel of course and doesn't rank with some of the other non-fiction books mentioned in the initial post, but did have a pretty profound effect on society over the 100 years after it was published.
     
  9. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

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    It would count as a series of books, I think.
     
  10. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    Yeah, but that profound effect was to have people stare blankly and say "wtf??" a lot. I keed, I keed.

    I guess Oliver Twist would take it. Never read Rarnaby Fudge (or Ethel the Aardvark goes quantity surveying, for that matter) - most of Dickens was simply too ponderous.
     
  11. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

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    I bet Karl K has read all those books.
     
  12. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

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    :rolleyes: Let's not, eh?
     
  13. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

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    Arf ... and this from someone who's read Anna Karenina. ;)
     
  14. !Bob

    !Bob Member

    Apr 28, 2005
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    I would put up George Orwell's Animal Farm or 1984 on that list perhaps (for novels).
     
  15. bojendyk

    bojendyk New Member

    Jan 4, 2002
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    Changed the world? I don't think so.

    Any list of works by English writers that doesn't include something by Christopher Marlowe is full of suck.
     
  16. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    I didn't like Tolstoy all that much either. Between my mother and myself we've read all of war and peace. I read the parts about war, she read the parts about love (peace). That's what happens when you read it at 11 years of age.
     
  17. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    Much as I like Dr. Faustus, how did that change the world?
     
  18. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
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    An American list would be interesting. I would nominate Silent Spring by Rachael Carson. I believe it was published in the late 50s and the book really launched the environmental movement. As Thomas Freidman famously pronounced, "Green is the new Red, White and Blue."
     
  19. bojendyk

    bojendyk New Member

    Jan 4, 2002
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    Marlowe changed literature in the same way that Shakespeare did, only a few years earlier.

    But I'm just being persnickety. Of course I know that the bard is more important.
     
  20. Chris M.

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    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    My Pet Goat?

    :eek:
     
  21. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    The Hungry Caterpillar.
     
  22. Val1

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    Kind of reach calling the Magna Carta a book, isn't it...
     
  23. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    It is.

    It's especially fun to read it in Middle English.
     
  24. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    Well, you would be wrong.

    But quite a few.
     
  25. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    In my view, the three most important philosophers, and whose works or excerpts of works are texts that REALLY changed the world are, Locke, Hume, and Bacon.

    No modern science without Bacon. No democracy without Locke. And no methodical understanding of human nature without Hume.

    One of Hume's key contributions was obliterating the arguments for what we call now "intelligent design."

    One book that has to be on the list of most influential is Das Kapital. Influential, of course, for all the wrong reasons.
     

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