February FIFA Rankings ~ The USA is 6th.

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by El Chuma, Feb 15, 2006.

  1. El Chuma

    El Chuma BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 17, 2005
    San Diego
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. tino11

    tino11 New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Karlsruhe - Germany
    What the hell does it matter. These rankings provide a completely misleading guideline as to a teams ability.

    To have the USA ranked above England is just ludicrous. I am a Scotland fan so don't think I have any sympathy towards the English either.

    The US may beat England on any given day. But if every team in the world played each other in a league format, the US would finish at least 10 places behind England in my opinion.
     
  3. alexdergrosse

    alexdergrosse New Member

    Jun 15, 2001
    Northern VA
    Ah, in your opinion? Well, FIFA for some reason doesn't care what your opinion is, and they too, wonder, What the hell does it matter?

    Take the rankings for what they're worth, but I don't understand this desire to dismiss the ranking system altogether because it doesn't match your (not you specifically, tino11) opinion. It's a formula, not some guy sitting in a dark room drawing names from a hat. The formula may need to be refined, but not everyone's going to be happy with the results no matter what.

    I think it's interesting, and good for US soccer, to see the team move up a spot in both the FIFA and ELO rankings.
     
  4. tino11

    tino11 New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Karlsruhe - Germany
    How is it good for US soccer though when everyone knows it means nothing?

    I agree the formula is flawed because of the confederation system mainly.

    Do you agree with the world league idea I put forward, or do you think the US would finish above England in that theoratical scenario?
     
  5. bigtoga

    bigtoga Member

    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas, Texas
    When March comes around, the USA will have probably had more February friendlies than most other top 10 teams. I'm anxious to see how they get tallied. If Ghana can tie Mexico and we beat Guatemala, I wonder if we could somehow break the deadlock at 6th place?
     
  6. El Chuma

    El Chuma BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 17, 2005
    San Diego
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had no idea this post would get people so salty. :rolleyes:
     
  7. El Chuma

    El Chuma BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 17, 2005
    San Diego
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good point, also the mexico south korea game will be important.
     
  8. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    happens every month
     
  9. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Why are you talking about its meaning? If it has no meaning it would go unnoticed but it doesn't. Why would people constantly bring up something that they believe has no basis in facts? Why do these rankings create so many posts and some press coverage?
     
  10. tino11

    tino11 New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Karlsruhe - Germany
    It gets so many post deicated to it by supporters of teams it artificially inflates. I am not being anti-US here just pointing out the inadequacies in the system. How many times does a Brazilian or England supporter start a thread on the FIFA rankings?

    Can you answer my original question (above) or would that invalidate the ranking system, and shoot your argument down?
     
  11. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    the ranking is garbage, but foreigners must understand that we've never had such a high meaningless ranking before... hence the bit of excitement

    beyond that, many US fans are relatively new to the sport, and i'm all for whatever gets them excited about the team
     
  12. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA

    is it that time of the month again?
     
  13. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    While I don't think it ludicrous to think we could rank above England, I agree in general that England could be considered a better team than the US. I DO find it ludicrous that you think we would finish 10 places behind England in a league format. Being kind, I would place England about 5th, assuming four of Brazil, Argentina, Czechoslovakia, Italy, Germany, Holland and Portugal would finish above England....exactly which other seven teams would fit in between the US and England?

    BTW...after this World Cup, I hope you find the teams that would place above the US in the list I gave above, smaller by at least two!! Which I don't think is really all that ludicrous to think.
     
  14. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm glad to see that these rankings are doing EXACTLY what FIFA wants them to do-- get all of us talking about Int'l (as opposed to club) soccer.

    Anyway, I think that England is a more talented squad than the US, but I think the US would do very well in a "world league". We play so few matches with our best players together b/c of the split continents on which they play. Also, the US team has always been more about teamwork and the whole being greater than the sum of its parts-- playing together consistently would benefit us more than many other teams.

    The scary thought, though, is how good Brazil would be if their A team played together on a consistent basis. Wow.
     
  15. Zeppelin

    Zeppelin New Member

    Jan 24, 2006
    Why is it that the US is ranked so high ? not that i dissagree or un-happy but it's a little questionable, isn't it ? we are higher than england, portugal, Italy, Germany etc .....but, it feels great:D
     
  16. ECRedSoxFan

    ECRedSoxFan Member

    Jul 22, 2005
    Charlotte, NC
    Ah Fifa rankings, the "red tide" of big soccer. They come around every month and get most people in a crappy mood.
     
  17. Rodan

    Rodan New Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Providence
    The thing that irks me is that the only possible advantage to these half-baked ratings is that they might have helped the US get seeded for the World Cup.

    They didn't.

    So I find them worse than ridiculous - even a little embarassing.

    Just my opinion...
     
  18. tino11

    tino11 New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Karlsruhe - Germany
    Spain
    France
    Ukraine
    Switzerland
    Turkey
    Croatia
    Sweeden

    Possible

    Rep. Ireland
    Mexico

    I really only considered Europe an the Americas. I am not up on African and Asian football really.
     
  19. Zeppelin

    Zeppelin New Member

    Jan 24, 2006
    If the US stays at this rank until the next WC, it might as well be seeded.
     
  20. Sportman77

    Sportman77 New Member

    Jan 13, 2006
    Still ashame that the Mexicans are tied with us. They know we beat them silly.
     
  21. ChangeT

    ChangeT Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Chicago
    I'm willing to concede Spain and France....but after that my opinion is that you're reaching.

    While the US team doesn't have superstars per se like C. Ronaldo, Henry, etc. They have been working in the same system with each other for pretty much 8 years in a row now. They know their strengths, weaknesses, and abilities and play within themselves. They can change up their style when needed and are always prepared and their depth has dramatically improved over the past 4 years. WC02 was just the begining.
     
  22. swedust

    swedust Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    The high ranking feels good, even if we (USMNT fans) know it counts for nothing once the opening whistle blows.

    And tino11, it is always refreshing for dissenting opinions, but I'm afraid you did get called out there on your ten places comment. Those teams you list do not make for a convincing argument. Both the US and Mexico would finish ahead of most of those teams.
     
  23. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax

    i could very well quibble with some of your others choices... but friggin' switzerland?

    it is time to put down the nestle's and step away slowly
     
  24. tino11

    tino11 New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Karlsruhe - Germany
    You have to give me some slack, I was set the task after goussoccer set England at 5th place, so I have to place the US at 15th. However I do think 6 of those teams would finish higher. The point being as has been argued so many times before that the standard and level of competition in Europe is the highest (fair or not) so even teams who did not get to the WC are of a superior standard to some top teams in the other Confederations. For example Re. Ireland are a better team than Austrailia.

    Most European teams consider wining the European Championships is harder than the World Cup. As the level of games you have to play from the start is higher.

    I am not being a "eurosnob" about this, and I believe it is unfair. However that is how it is.
     
  25. ACGreen

    ACGreen Member

    May 12, 2004
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     

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