why Wenger is not buying players who can make an immediate impact?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by oheli_1, Jan 19, 2006.

  1. fox point fury

    May 19, 2001
    Providence
    I'll second this as the standard for starting such threads.
     
  2. oheli_1

    oheli_1 New Member

    Sep 20, 2004
    Nigel de jong or any other 1st team DMs playing for a decent side...Gilberto is the worst CM in any decent side in the world right now. Even Hamann who is a bench warmer in Liverpool is better.
     
  3. oheli_1

    oheli_1 New Member

    Sep 20, 2004

    We have every right to expect results because tickets to Highbury aint cheap and so are the merchandise. These money that we pay have to be put to good use...Its time to get rid of people like Gilberto. He is useless. Or Arsenal can charge a cheaper rate for their products since they also have a not so good team. If they want to increase ticket prices and merchandise prices then its only right that the team becomes better and not putting in half-hearted and disgraceful performances because we fans pay the wages of these players.
     
  4. Stefanicov

    Stefanicov New Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    Wenger believes he has a team to win the cl which is clearly false. we need to replace gilberto senderos and find a striker to partner henry
     
  5. Stefanicov

    Stefanicov New Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    1 player for midfield would be graveson from real madrid
     
  6. Cannon

    Cannon Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 2, 2001
    Washington, DC metro
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree on Gilberto but Senderos will do fine but might never be a good partner for Sol because of their slowness. We already have two other partners for Henry: RVP and Adebayor. No reason to buy another striker now.
     
  7. Stefanicov

    Stefanicov New Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    Agreed on the striker my mistake one midfielder we should be after is frank riberi from marseille he is the nuts from what i have seen
     
  8. chengb02

    chengb02 Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    I don't see anything wrong with what Wenger has done so far. We made what appears to be 2 decent signings and then got Walcott, the kid dynamite that EVERYONE wanted. I think these are signings that will have an impact in a year or two, which is what we need as an immediate impact won't do us much good. Like someone else pointed out, I don't think there's any one player we could break the bank on who would guarantee us winning the Champions League. We still have a good chance of finishing in a CL spot as well. I agree we do have an expectation that the team get results, but I'd be satisfied if we can get past Madrid in the CL, and finish in a CL spot in the EPL, perhaps make another FA Cup final. We also haven't seen what our signings can do yet, I think its a bit too soon to attack the moves we've made.
     
  9. marakana10

    marakana10 New Member

    May 9, 2005
     
  10. martymarts

    martymarts Member

    Mar 11, 2003
    NYC
    So the real Q is why didn't Arsenal buy a couple or 3 young players 2 or 3 years ago, to anticipate our CM woes? Let's face it we were scream for a plan B before Paddy left, his departure only exaserbated a problem that already existed? With more teams facing us with 451 Paddy was not being partnered by players good enough to weather the storm.

    This is a long standing failure of strategy and the kindest thing is to blame it on the cash?
     
  11. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    how was he supposed to know that Paddy would be sold, Edu would leave, and Gilberto would be crap this season??
     
  12. oheli_1

    oheli_1 New Member

    Sep 20, 2004

    Gilberto has always been crap not only this season, just that paddy is no longer around to help him.
     
  13. Thierry_Is_God

    Thierry_Is_God New Member

    Jul 22, 2005
    First off if you are unhappy with Arsenal don't buy tickets and don't buy merchandise, there are plenty of others who will. Secondly if you really think your ticket is going to pay for Thierry's new contract rather than tv money and sponsor money than you should also dream about seeing ronaldinho, kaka, adriano, and diarra in arsenal kits next season.
     
  14. oheli_1

    oheli_1 New Member

    Sep 20, 2004

    I am not unhappy with Arsenal but with players like Gilberto who lacks ability and still has the audicity to put in half hearted performances. Secondly, if our ticket money wont pay for the wages then why does the board want to build a larger stadium? There's also TV money bcos we fans tune in to watch the game.
     
  15. Red Agave

    Red Agave Member

    Aug 2, 2005
    Manchester
    Blimey. By May I'll have spent about £4k on Arsenal this season. Can I demand some of my money back?

    Is there a statute of limitations? I don't think I got good value for money in the 80s. :D
     
  16. marakana10

    marakana10 New Member

    May 9, 2005
    I'm Arsenal blood through and through. I haven't seen worse times because I was only born in 1988 and all these years we've been winning things. I was even born on the year we won the title after 17 years against Liverpool at Anfield. I started following Arsenal in 1995, the last year before Wenger. I cried as a kid after that European final and I haven't seen a worse Arsenal side but from what I've heard they were much worse and could frustrate a lot more than we've seen today during the 70's and the 80's. And I suggest for you 'newbies' to read Fever Pitch by Nick Hornby to measure your true club loyalty. I can't say I've been through that much stress and I could just have a small, minute taste of frustration that Hornby and all the other veteran fans of the Gunners have lived through. I received a small taste of this in the European final in 1995 against Galatasaray, losing the title on the last day in the late 90's, and Arsenal's title loss in 02-03 after succumbing to Manchester's pressure. But that just doesn't compare because we were still successful somehow. If not the title then FA Cup, if not the FA Cup then the title. I still haven't experienced an Arsenal season where we haven't won something thus nobody really knows this besides the veterans of the North End. The times are thick for us, but we will stick with the Arsenal... or at least I know I will.

    :rolleyes:
     
  17. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    has he really been crap the whole time?

    I recall some posts last year about how much he was missed when it was Paddy and x (insert the midfielder) and there were posts about how Gilberto was missed, because he was injured, and that he was the "invisible wall".

    guess the invisible wall is "invisible" even when he plays!!
     
  18. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    wait, you supported Arsenal in the '80s and are still around?




    we should build a shrine in your honor. :D
     
  19. oheli_1

    oheli_1 New Member

    Sep 20, 2004

    couldnt agree more...Previously, people would say that he is the invisible wall when I criticised him...Looks like he has truly proven himself to be a wonderful magician capable of making himself truly invisible nowadays(sarcasm). As for Red Agave, well done to your loyalty to Arsenal, not every1 would spend so much money on them(no sarcasm).
     
  20. jwaldman11

    jwaldman11 New Member

    Jun 14, 2002
    The OC
    But that goes for the whole EPL. Newcastle has just as large of a support base as we do (at least that's my judgement from what I've seen and heard), and they've been mediocre for years. The economics of the game dictate that, to improve, you need to splash out the cash, which the supporters need to contribute to. Granted, we have a much larger fanbase than Chelsea, but we also don't have a Russian sugar-daddy financing us, so we need to rely on those ticket sales and merchandise. Realize too that Highbury's seating capacity is far less than Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge, ergo we get less ticket revenue.

    I think you're also missing the point of Wenger's January buys: January is the time he buys for the future, not the present. The "help us now" players are both rarely available and also overpriced. I much prefer knowing that the future is secure for a few years than spending a ton of cash on one big name who may or may not be able to help us this year. To use a really bad analogy, we're going for tantric sex as opposed to "wham, bam, thank you ma'am". Both could have the same result, but one lasts longer and is much more satisfying. If we were in a better position in the league, sure, I could see going for the big name. But, as others have said, sparking a bidding war in today's climate is a bad idea. Be patient and remember: this is the same manager who has lead us to two doubles. I don't think he forgot how to do the job in the offseason!
     
  21. jwaldman11

    jwaldman11 New Member

    Jun 14, 2002
    The OC
    Hell, The Tavern should build a shrine in her's and Rick's honor! ;)
     
  22. oheli_1

    oheli_1 New Member

    Sep 20, 2004
    Buying for the future is gd but we are in serious danger of not qualifying for the Champions League next season and we cannot afford to be without the income or the debt will really screw our finances.
     
  23. Cannon

    Cannon Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 2, 2001
    Washington, DC metro
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, it won't. Unless we start regularly missing the CL then our finances are fine from the figures I've seen. If you are basing this viewpoint on that silly article that went around in December, you should know it was debunked on here because it ignored many relevant details of the financing for the stadium and the impact of the sponsor cash on servicing the debt. Missing the CL (which I don't think we will) next season would be a hit and I'd expect it to lead to some transfers of high wage earners that are past their prime but unless it happens for a few seasons in a row or leads to some fall off in fan support than Arsenal will be fine.
     
  24. fox point fury

    May 19, 2001
    Providence
    To be fair, Gilberto and Edu have been on both end of this board's mood swings for years. The funny thing is that they're condemned when they play but when they're out we're desperate to have them back. There have been some posters who have picked one side and been consistent (Coach's love of Edu being the most notable) but many posters flip-flop with the general consensus.
     
  25. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is it necessarily the case that posters have flip-flopped? I think it's just as likely that Gilberto's play has gotten poorer. I don't think it's inconsistent at all to say that last season we missed the Gilberto that played so well during the undefeated season, but that right now he's playg like crap.
     

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