Bolton vs. Arsenal [R] Pre/dur/Post Match

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Catfish, Nov 29, 2005.

  1. impalemeplz

    impalemeplz Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Sydney
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    yup its great when you have veteran depth.
     
  2. antifan

    antifan Member+

    Aug 14, 2004
    The Scottie
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm glad you're not the type to say i told you so. ;)
     
  3. mixmastermatt

    mixmastermatt Member

    Nov 18, 2003
    St Albans, England
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    As a fan on the radio said: The fans are bigger disgraces then the players! We sit there all hush, hush and expect them to score, expect them to give us the "lift"

    I agree

    What ********ing use are the fans when they don't get fully behind the team?

    The players feel the positive or negative energy coming from the crowd... but in our case there is no energy from the crowd to lift the players!
     
  4. bergkamp10

    bergkamp10 New Member

    Feb 10, 2003
    Toronto, Canada
    Wenger is behaving as if he does not have options to fill to the LB role. I cannot understand why he has not reorganized the defence in a more effective manner.

    The obvious option would be to slot Kolo in the LB position and bring in Senderos. Yet there are other options. Eboue could start as a LB. Alternatively, Lauren could start in the LB position and Eboue could be used on the right.
     
  5. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was wondering the exact same thing.

    I said after the Boro match earlier this year that I didn't think I had ever seen such a pathetic and dismal display from an Arsenal side.

    This one tops it.

    Pure, utter, unadulterated, crap.
     
  6. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't that asking a lot of the fans at an away match? The way Bolton was dominating, I wouldn't expect our traveling fans to be heard over the raucous roar and laughter of the Bolton supporters.
     
  7. hiddi

    hiddi Member

    Jul 23, 2005
    philadelphia
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    i agree on points with the sloppy defense and mid but what about our offense? i understand the arsenal way of attack with the drop backs and beautiful goals but where is the grime? it seems too often we are looking for walk in goals or a beautiful strike from henry near the box lines. i want grit i want deflections i want effort. we'll pull everyone up to the box and it goes pass-pass-pass-pass pass-giveaway. i swear my eyes weren't playing tricks on me i saw cygan down in the mix of things on several occasions passing the ball back and forth with the rest of them on the box lines. WHY?!? when given the opportunity especially down by 2 just shoot the damn ball and hope for the best. i guess we can't even expect that when pires faults on a wide open rebound strike to net. desperate times call for desperate measures.
     
  8. TheImposter

    TheImposter Member

    Jun 15, 2002
    Centerville, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From listening to the first half I got the impression that Lauren was one of the few players displaying any effort -- and then he's subbed? WTF? Were Cesc and RvP particularly bad, or were their subs just as mysterious?
     
  9. mixmastermatt

    mixmastermatt Member

    Nov 18, 2003
    St Albans, England
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I can see your point and I understand that Arsenal fans are not going to be able to make noise 100% of the time and especially at an away match but this is all too much of a regular occurence and I would say 70% of the time we are outsung by opposition fans. At this current point in time I am not able to go to Arsenal matches home or away because of my lack of money and the fact I spend my weekends training and playing American football but the last one I went to was Arsenal V Thun and it was just another classic example of us being outsung by opposition fans - 36,500 of us and 2000 of them and we get outsung. This happens at every match and this is affecting the players.
     
  10. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Understood. It would certainly be helpful if this were not the case.
     
  11. n4100

    n4100 Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Philadelphia
    I didn't notice RvP must to be honest, and though Faye is about a foot taller than Cesc, he didn't even go up for the header on the first goal. I'm not sure about Lauren to be honest, perhaps a knock.

    I got a text from Rick and he says, "It was worse than rubbish. It was dire. Half those players don't deserve to wear the shirt." Tha about sums it up for me. Kinda ruined my day, which was already crappy just due to the cold I've got.
     
  12. Catfish

    Catfish Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'm with you, ruined my day for sure.
    Get better.
     
  13. Gooner_for_Life

    Oct 26, 2005
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From what ive heard it seems like my high school crowd makes more noise than the fans at highbury.

    The highbury library. :rolleyes:
     
  14. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In fairness to Cesc, Faye jumped over him....so in addition to the height advantage it would've been difficult for Cesc to have had any effect on the play.
     
  15. KevTheGooner

    KevTheGooner Help that poor man!

    Dec 10, 1999
    THOF
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Andorra
    I don't know about my technical knowledge but Cygan was about 40 yards upfield when that ball was played. Absolutely horrid positioning by the man on both goals. I hope that Wenger realized today that this experiment simply must stop...for the humanity of it all. I actually felt sorry for ol' Pascal today. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of and is being horribly exposed for it. :(
     
  16. Cannon

    Cannon Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 2, 2001
    Washington, DC metro
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it was pretty mysterious. Lauren was either our best player of the first half or close to it after Jens or Toure. Sure he had some trouble getting forward but that was because Bolton tactics dictated a compressed right flank for us and he was under pressure as Freddie, Gilberto, and Pires gave the ball away constantly. True Lauren had made a pretty stupid foul for a card and turned the ball over shortly before getting subbed but compared to what the rest of the team was doing, I can't see how those few mistakes could get him subbed. Wenger should have brought Eboue in for Cygan or moved Toure to the Lb and brought Senderos in.

    One of Bolton's goals was scored over Cesc's head and he was having trouble screening for the defense. However putting the blame on Cesc when Gilberto was completely ineffective seems a bit nuts to me. I've thought that Wenger has Cesc play in the wrong area while defending set pieces since last season. Not really a surprise that it bites us in the ass today given Bolton's strengths.

    RVP might be the one that I have the least problem with Wenger taking off. He was in good form and possibly deserved that disallowed goal but with our midfield trouble he wasn't really seeing the ball much. However again I'd have liked Wenger to use his subs to take care of our worst players (Pires, Cygan, etc...Gilberto would have been tough given the lack of any CM on the bench) before looking to replace RVP.
     
  17. KevTheGooner

    KevTheGooner Help that poor man!

    Dec 10, 1999
    THOF
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Andorra
    In my mind the problem was not in the substitutions but in the lineup. Reyes should be a gimme to start when Cygan is at left back. His speed and interest in helping the back four far surpass what Pires can offer. And Lord knows we need the help when Cygan at LB. Our inability to either posess the ball or defend on that side left us unbalanced that whole first half.

    Of course, our whole midfield was on vacation the first 45...but I would have put it to Reyes to staunch the bleeding on that side and keep us in the match.
     
  18. Cannon

    Cannon Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 2, 2001
    Washington, DC metro
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I said that during halftime just didn't repeat it above. A left flank of Pires-Cygan is stupid against almost any decent squad. The lineup/tactics put us behind the 8ball from the start. A poor effort from much of our squad and stupid subs just finished the job.
     
  19. Dooglas

    Dooglas Member

    Jul 30, 2005
    Las Vegas, NV
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    cant say this wont ruin my day :(:( but we needed this, if you realize we have been winning against what i would call 'weaker' opponents, so we had all this confidence for nothing i think, and now we know that some of the higher mid table teams can beat us, wenger saw this and we will be better for it.
     
  20. fedwood

    fedwood Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    i had a choice between this and American Tractor Pullers Association on ESPN and i chose this :(
     
  21. ZANI

    ZANI Member

    Feb 14, 2004
    USA
    Different forest, same monkeys!
    Why is it always has to be Bolton messing up Arsenal's title chances?
     
  22. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    [​IMG]

    Linguo says...."Why does it always have to be Bolton......"
     
  23. Rick B

    Rick B Member

    Aug 26, 2003
    Harare, Zimbabwe
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Zimbabwe

    I told you so......

    God that was awful. One of the worst performances Ive been to for a long time. Which is really frustrating as we have been playing so well recently. But one Bolton fan told me (and I haven't checked so don't jump on me if it's wrong) that they have conceded only one goal at home this season and have won 8 in a row at the Reebok. They stuck to their plan and it worked.

    Cygan was out of position several times, it was embarrassing really how much they targeted him. We should of bought on Eboue at half time. The bugger up by Gilberto was dreadful. He should of just booted it into row z, although in reality it should of been Cygan there defending leaving Gilberto to help out the centre-backs. But Cygan was on the half way line. Davies, Nolan and Diouf had good games and their defense was steady. Our players heads went down after the first goal and after that we never looked like getting back in to it. Henry lead by example by just moping around and throwing his arms in the air. Ljungberg didn't look interested and Pires, well today was a good example of why he hasn't got a new contract yet. It was cold and raining and in the North - never a good combination for Arsenal.

    Lehmann was by far our man of the match. He made some great saves and tried to lift the players.
    Mixmastermatt was right - the fans today were awful. One of the reasons is that it was cold, an early goal etc etc. The other is that the "Regulars" so to speak were all over the place. I was in front of someone who told me to sit down before kick off for gods sake. Like that was going to bloody happen. Anyway I do have one very good word for Bolton as a club. I had a speare ticket and another friend had 4 spares, we took them over to the box office and ten mins before kick off they gave us the money back. Ive never seen that at a ground before and I was very impressed with that. They put the fans first.

    Don't despair though. It was always going to be tough and they are our bogey team - we will get our heads up for Newcastle and get a win there.

    Lastly -[Rant] Doncaster, why the hell do we have to get another god damm journey to the bloody freezing North on a weeknight[/Rant]
     
  24. goonsquad

    goonsquad Member

    Apr 1, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure some of this has been said, but I gotta vent or I'll explode. First, I have to say that Henry has not shown himself to be captain material yet at all. He didn't hustle or chase down defenders at all when the ball was lost, and did more of the same as far as relating to his teammates. Second, why was RvP's goal disallowed? It looked harsh to me. Third, Pires has to go. He hesitated on the rebound from Henry's shot, and when he can't even get his trademark poached goals for us, it's time to sell him off, hopefully in January. My next coplaint is with Wenger himself. He has to be the most stubborn man alive. First of allstarting Pires was obviously the wrong choice with Cygan at LB, and then he takes off RvP and Fabregas?? I'll never understand how Pires manages to play 90 mins in games like this. Let's hope that some good can come of this game, namely Wenger changing the defense around. Let's see Eboue or Toure at LB please, because Cygan is going to get us murdered if Cronaldo or Duff/Robben gets a chance to line up against him. And we certainly cannot afford to lose to either ManU or Chelsea.
     
  25. deeplennon

    deeplennon Member

    Jun 15, 2005
    Seattle
    Excellent recap Rick.

    But on Doncaster, no one's making you go!
     

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