BigSoccer MLS WPL Week #26

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by dred, Sep 19, 2005.

  1. Saeyddthe

    Saeyddthe Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    St. Looney ^the CB&J
    Actually, I just noticed I've no bets remaining between 18 and 117, so that takes care of the clever comment for the week:

    153 Ner Clb
    3 Dal Lag
    131 Col Rsl
    118 Sje Chi
    7 Ner Met
    154 Clb Rsl
    12 Cvs Col
    162 Sje Dal
    11 Lag Kcw
     
  2. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    Columbus Crew (hometown), Minnesota United (close ties), Colorado Rapids (now home), Jacksonville Armada (ties)
    United States
    May 9, 2003
    Ashtabula, OH / Denver, CO / MN / Jax
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    81 Ner Clb
    118 Dal Lag
    165 Col Rsl
    109 Sje Chi
     
  3. BulaJacket

    BulaJacket Member

    Columbus Crew (hometown), Minnesota United (close ties), Colorado Rapids (now home), Jacksonville Armada (ties)
    United States
    May 9, 2003
    Ashtabula, OH / Denver, CO / MN / Jax
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    93 Ner Met
    70 Clb Rsl
    58 Col Lac
    127 Sje Dal
    128 Lag Kcw
     
  4. Tactics

    Tactics New Member

    Apr 2, 2005
    Charleston, WV
    86 Ner Clb
    117 Dal Lag
    188 Col Rsl
    155 Sje Chi
    156 Ner Met
    118 Clb Rsl
    77 Cvs Col
    163 Sje Dal
    129 Lag Kcw
     
  5. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    158 Ner Clb
    129 Dal Lag
    157 Col Rsl
    156 Sje Chi
    155 Ner Met
    130 Rsl Clb
    131 Col Cvs
    132 Sje Dal
    133 Lag Kcw
     
  6. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    125 Ne Clb Ner
    42 Dal Lag
    99 Col Rsl
    5000 Sje Chi
    126 Ner Met
    66 Rsl Clb
    78 Col Cvs
    4999 Sje Dal
    104 Lag Kcw
     
  7. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    113 Ner Clb
    85 Lag Dal
    173 Sje Cji
    179 Col Rsl
     
  8. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    79 NER CLB
    77 FCD LAG
    70 COL RSL
    176 SJE CHI
     
  9. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    Yes, I'm committed to revisiting things every year and reaching a consensus.

    If you mean what I think you mean, wouldn't it be hard to do things like Weekly Cup? (let alone Play of the Week?) Wouldn't the person who bet the most usually win? I'm open to suggestions and hope to hear input from many of you. One possibility might be modifying the system to place less emphasis on "season management" and more focus on the week-to-week.
     
  10. Qdog

    Qdog Member

    May 8, 2002
    Andalusia
    Club:
    Sevilla FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does this get you points if the Revs win or lose? ;)
     
  11. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just covering all the bases.

    125 NE Clb

    Thanks for catching that!
     
  12. Qdog

    Qdog Member

    May 8, 2002
    Andalusia
    Club:
    Sevilla FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally I like it the way it is. I do find it's easier to manage the bets by using a spreadsheet rather then your list. Of course, you still have to guess right, which I haven't done very well. :(
     
  13. Robert Lanza

    Robert Lanza Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boynton Beach, FL
    Club:
    Ft Lauderdale Strikers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    8 Clb-ne
    127 Dal-la
    128 Col-rsl
    129 Sj-chi
    130 Met-ne
    137 Clb-rsl
    139 Col-chv
    140 Sj-dal
    7 Kc-la
     
  14. sljohn

    sljohn Member

    Apr 28, 2001
    Out of town
    181 Col Cvs
    172 Col Rsl
    173 Ner Clb
    164 Dal Lag
    166 Sje Chi
    167 Ner Met
    168 Clb Rsl
    72 Sje Dal
    37 Lag Kcw
     
  15. sljohn

    sljohn Member

    Apr 28, 2001
    Out of town
    I remember having a bunch of suggestions at one point that I thought were good suggestions at the time.

    Of course, I was much wiser then than I am now, so I'm not so sure anymore. Also, being older now, I can't remember what the suggestions were anyway. ;)

    Who was it that said: I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
     
  16. Greywacke

    Greywacke New Member

    Jan 28, 2001
    Huntington Beach
    160 Ner Clb
    100 Lag Dal
    120 Sje Chi
    130 Col Rsl
     
  17. OGx3

    OGx3 Member

    Mar 12, 2004
    Davis, CA USA
    Right on the $, as usual. Very nice march returning to the Top 10, BTW.
     
  18. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Being young (relatively speaking) and naive, and basically sick of seeing my CLB over NE picks ruined by late Twellman goals, I have a suggestion for next year that might not fly with participants and our beloved conductor.

    it involves ties. i like the current system, as it rewards those wise enough to use their low wagers on the games they feel likely to be ties. however, i feel that the 1/2 wagered points awarded per tie seems to be not the fairest system, for those crazy (or is it wise) enough to let's say pick a CLB over NE.

    my proposal involves weighing the percentage of points awarded for a tie in inverse proportion to the number of players in a week who made predictions on each game.

    As an example: let’s say you (poster A) bid 50 CLB NE and some other player (poster B) bid 50 NE CLB.
    During this week’s thread, there were 20 players, 16 of them picked NE to win, 4 picked CLB to win.
    The game results in a tie. Under the current system, if my understanding is correct, both poster A and B receive 25 points for their wager.
    Under my proposal, poster A would get 40 points (an 80% rate of return by wagering against the prevailing trend) and poster B would get 10 points (or only a 20% rate of return rule for following the herd).

    In the case of a tie -- Poster A (for being in the minority) would get rewarded with a majority percentage return on their bid while Poster B (for being with the majority of players on this particular game’s prediction) would earn only the corresponding minority percentage as a return.

    Or, you could modify this proposal, by saying everyone (even those in the majority on a game’s prediction), is guaranteed the 50% return for a tie. So there is no penalty for being in the majority.

    The bonus could apply above the 50% (in some appropriate relation) to those players in the minority for a game’s prediction. picking an upset by going against the prevailing line of bidding, even in the case of a tie result on the field, is worth slightly more than picking the favored team in most posters’ view. Still those who do pick CLB over NE would pay if NE wins the game, and those who pick NE would lose their wagered points should CLB win. This proposed change would only apply to how points for ties (draws, if you will) are awarded.

    Of course this would require more work and computing by dred, (and not all ties will be as number-friendly and pretty as this listed example) so I will defer to his (and the group's) wishes.
     
  19. OGx3

    OGx3 Member

    Mar 12, 2004
    Davis, CA USA
    Thoughtful post. Thanks, tab5g.

    Though perf has a complexity to it, the main building block of scoring, points awarded, is pretty simple. That's a nice feature of dred's current system.

    Now, I agree that in a draw, having picked the underdog beforehand is somehow a more astute(?) pick than having picked the prevailing favorite. On the other hand, I don't favor your first proposal. Having to factor in how many folks picked which way takes a way from the simplicity of the current system.

    One modification that would address this concern (somewhat) and your main point would be to say something like:

    If your team ties, you win half your bet.
    If your team ties and you picked in the minority, you win a bonus of one-quarter of your bet.

    That might also be straightforward to program. Dunno.

    Things that key off of other people's picks are inherently problematic. There's bound to be the time where someone sends ahead their picks pre-vacation and it doesn't register, the minority/majority switches after dred makes the correction, etc.

    Another counter argument to the proposal would be something like:
    "Look, be happy with half your bet. 80% of the players would have expected you to come away with no points, so you made out just fine..."

    Another idea, one that doesn't key off of other people's picks:
    dred identifies the underdog (in italics or something), and a tie when you pick that team gets you half your bet plus the quarter bonus. It's an idea, but just because it can be done doesn't mean it's a good idea.

    It's entirely up to dred. Dude puts in an awful lot of time on this stuff, and he has seen fit to modify things before, to make them more sensible (see this year's adjustment in the perf calculation). I'm not sure that there's really a problem with the current system, and it seems like extra work for whatever benefit it provides. Wonder what dred thinks...
     
  20. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    excellent points, OGx3. i really do agree with your thoughts on the subject and appreciate your reply. i'm not really expecting any changes to the system, just want to see what others thought on the "tie" matter, and will be good to see if dred deems this area worthy of farther discussion or possible alteration.

    i can certainly see why your below point is a key factor in keeping the status quo:

    and there certainly are a handful of complexities that would be involved with introducing a vairable into the system that is based on minority/majority preferences per each game.
     
  21. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    164 Ner Met
    9 Clb Rsl
    146 Cvs Col
    8 Sje Dal
    147 Lag Kcw
     
  22. jlo

    jlo New Member

    May 18, 2000
    Baton Rouge, LA
    135 Ner Met
    118 Clb Rsl
    108 Col Cvs
    162 Sje Dal
    151 Lag Kcw
     
  23. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    178 NER MET
    22 RSL CLB
    64 COL CVS
    187 SJE FCD
    63 KCW LAG
     
  24. equakesfan

    equakesfan Member

    Sep 13, 2002
    San Jose
    155 Ner Met (NJ is desperate for points, but I think NE will hold on for a win)
    2 Clb RSL (Clb looks good but I'm not willing to bet more on them)
    44 Col Cvs (Col needs this game but it will be tough for them to win)
    174 Sje Dal (SJ will clinch home field advantage in style)
    96 Lag Kcw (Insert your own cliche here)
     
  25. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Why don't you try growin a pair? ;)
     

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