How quickly we forget the disaster that was the U-20 tournament. Freddie couldn't cut it against U-20s and somehow he is now the answer to our USMNT.
top of a group that contains argentina and germany is a disaster? Freddy does better at a higher level in mls than he did in that tournament? And as I've said before gaven and spector were both worse and they have both been capped.
Re: Adu doesnt look that bad right now. ??? I'd think the large majority of DCU fans would say Santino is a much better player at this point. That certainly seems to be consensus on the DCU boards.
Re: Adu doesnt look that bad right now. Gomez 5.83 (29) Adu 5.79 (19) Wilson 5.68 (13) Erpen 5.63 (4) Gros 5.62 (27) Olsen 5.55 (22) Boswell 5.54 (25) Moreno 5.54 (26) Quaranta 5.53 (17) Prideaux 5.52 (25) Rimando 5.50 (27) Namoff 5.47 (12) Simms 5.41 (24) Perkins 5.35 (2) Guppy 5.24 (5) Carroll 5.22 (28) Kovalenko 5.09 (18) Petke 4.94 (10) KuffuoR 4.90 (2) Walker 4.88 (14) Stokes 4.81 (8) Eskandarian 4.79 (14) Van Sicklen 3.65 (2)
Re: Adu doesnt look that bad right now. Yes - because this piece of information is certainly scientific proof. If this was the case John Wilson (who by the way can't get off the F'in bench now) is suddenly DC's third best player.
Again wrong - and stop trying to use this stupid poll to prove something. All of about 8-10 people participate in that unless the game is either an ass kicking game or a real dog. If that is the case then one playesr performance in one game can be highly warped - take for instance the LAG game (which Adu got a 6.9 in to really boost his average) I can guarantee you a lot more than 8-10 people post on the DC board and by quoting this stupid ratings thread you are using a misleading argument.
Do you have any evidence to back up the opposite claim (that the board thinks Tino is better than Freddy)? B/c I think that would be harder to come by...
so pathetic how IMO77X gave me a trolling red repututaion , by just stating as a free opinion that I think ADU is not 16 , you can even make a comment here before someone goes all off
Speaking as someone who reads pretty much every thread on the DCU board, it is my opinion that the consensus of the regular posters on the board is that Tino is a better player. There's not total agreement -- but I think it would be fair to say that is the consensus. I have no empirical evidence to prove it, but that is my opinion based on what I read from most others on that board. The "ratings" threads have very little participation. If you consistently read the post-match threads, which usually go on for hundreds of posts... there is usually a lot more raving about Tino's play than Freddy's.
And I gave you one too because a) That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about here b) As I said in the neg rep comments "Who the ******** cares?" I don't care what you base that opinion on. Don't bother replying with this long (stupid) rambling post. Stick your free opinion up your ass. Getting neg rep doesn't actually mean anything or affect anything you do on bigsoccer in any way so lighten up, Frances.
Re: Adu doesnt look that bad right now. and yet... you didn't listen you could name all the strikers you want, but i believe what people are suggesting is to play freddy as an attacking midfielder a role which only dempsey played tonight and lately he has not had a steady position with either with club or country enough to really know what role to perform he has been played as forward, on the right and left as a creative midfielder, as a defensive midfielder and last night bruce used him on the flank in the second half the truth of the matter is there was no chemistry to speak of with anyone last night bruce is stupid for playing 11 different non-starters, most of which have never played together playing along side 10 other non-starters there was no link between the keeper, defense, midfield, or forwards nor was there a link between defender-defender, midfielder-midfielder, forward-forward what did that show us? did it show how anybody will perform with the full national team? did it show who would be a better option than another player? did it show who could fulfill a spot in case of an injury? NO!!! last night was a big waste, and the playing conditions made it that much worse of an exhibition the only semblance of some form was when bruce brought on rallston on the right flank, and donovan as the midfielder behind the two forwards did we really need 4 defenders and a defensive midfielder against guatemala... without carlos ruiz? 1st off, they dont have a great offense to speak of, 2nd, we were already qualified, and didn't need to play defensively obviously the defenders who play for club in europe will be the ones who make the world cup squad no need to test conrad, vanney, albright, and marshall what this was... was a chance for the creative players to show that they could link up well with donovan as the #10, and score goals in a multitude at the national team level... instead bruce arena dropped the ball, didnt play donovan as a #10... didn't play a #10 at all vacated the midifled, and expected bobby convey to create everything from the distant left flank left a space of 60 yards wide by 60 yards deep, right in the middle of the field, where most of the play should be as the territory which only dempsey was in... which he never got the ball, or a chance to play in the better option wouldve been to play mastroeni as a central defender (playing up more like a libero), with marshall and albright flanking him on defense... and someone like adu ( i would prefer jesse Marsch) next to dempsey in central mid, and donovan as a #10, and I bet you wouldve seen the goals pouring in faster than the rain bruce is lost in the archaic mock-english style flank play there is a reason MLS teams have players like, jesse marsch, clint dempsey, freddy adu and many others in the central midfield and theres also a reason they couple them up with other central midifielders teams that succeed overload the midfield, where the majority of play occurs, and generate their chances right up the gut because thats where you need to be to score!!! on the fifa world cup history site, there is a list of some of the greatest players at the world cup puskas, walter, charlton, pele, garincha, eusebio, beckenbaur, muller, cruyff, kempes, rossi, platini, maradona, milla (it didnt include my boy matthaus for some reason.... could include van basten, gullit, and a number of others in the mix... ) and you have the better players of all time these guys all have a few things in common, first is that theyve been responsible for most of the scoring at the world cup, 2nd is that they played in the center of the pitch... and took the ball to the net... they didnt take the ball to the flank, or try to have flank balls come into them... they went right down the middle, and were able to be in posession of the ball in font of the net, where you need it in order to score instead bruce arena vacates the midfield entirely and expects our chances to come from the flanks... against trinidad obrien a defensive mid, reyna holding mid the two isolated forwards and arena discusses the flank play against mexico armas a defensive mid, reyna holding mid two isolted forwards and arena discusses flank play against guatemala mastroeni a defensive mid, and dempsey im not even sure... he was even moved to the flank... i havent seen his comments yet, but im sure arena talks about the flanks... we need to overload the midfield with aggressive creative players like clint dempsey, freddy adu, jesse marsh, etc... and use donovan as the #10 so we have a link between the majority of play in the center of the field, and the forwards up top we need to make it so our forwards are up top, so our forwards dont have to track back to get the ball, and then not be up top to take the chances or are constantly overshot for bad crosses the whole match this is something freddy adu could certaily perform right now
Re: Adu doesnt look that bad right now. or eskandarian who was why they won last year, and is now injured is their 2nd worst...
LOL thanks... I always forget... when i set that up it is for Mastroeni to be the central defender with berhalter and bocanegra behind them... but onyewu has come on too fast not to include him as the center back ahead of the others so use that same formation... and either take out onyweu, or replace mastroeni with onyewu
Please for the love of god let these threads die. Freddy will not see action in a road qualifier even with us clinching the spot. He might be called in during one of our last two matches but I doubt Bruce would actually put him on the field. Maybe just get him into the camp and show him what it's about. Freddy will not help us for this WC no matter how well he plays this year. However, I'd expect to see a lot of Freddy come qualifying time for the '10 cup.
lotharis1- Thanks for pointing that out to me that I did not post that list. I will get right on that. (rolls eyes) How you go about posting radical formation changes in a Freddy Adu thread is beyond me. There is other places for that. Start a new topic. By the way, the reason the 3-5-2 is out of the question is because we are not good enough in th back to get away with it.
Does anyone think that Freddy would play better at a higher level? Honestly I think hes too quick for the MLS pace. Place him in the midfield with beasley and I bet they work great together. Throw him in with the big boys and see what he can do. He cant be any worse than Armas(man those injuries ruined him). Not to mention Freddy seems like one of those guys that loves stepping up to the challenge. Some players 10 years older dont posses the same confidence he does. Let Freddy run wit em!!!!!!!!
Good news champ, we managed to sufficiently neg rep you such that you can't neg rep people. Have a lovely weekend, I hope you can work out your frustrations.
I'm sure he will get a full cap against someone before Germany. Who knows, maybe he will go Beasley on someone and earn a spot. Maybe he will go GAM on Panama and score 3. Everyone just take a deep breath and wait a bit. Hopefully the kid works out in the end.
Before entering a Freddy thread, you must hit yourself on the head with a beer bottle (a full one) and sniff some drain cleaner. OK, I think that little guy is the best player in the world.
I honestly think you are ignoring the facts: 1. No forward in our pool that isn't named McBride or Johnson has "tied" up a spot to Germany. None. Wolff has been ok, Twellman has been poor, Cunningham has been poor. That leaves 2 forwards in for sure. Wolff with an outside shot, Ching as a backup big man as an outside shot. Maybe Noonan? Oh yeah that is for four spots only. 2. Assuming MF players of Reyna, Donovan, DMB, Lewis, Pablo, Armas, JOB and probably one of Ralston/Q. Spots open if Lewis goes to left back, LD goes to forward. So who is there to fill these spots? Possibly Convey, Dempsey, or Ricardo Clark (if Pablo/Armas go down). That isn't a whole lot of depth. Also, Convey and Dempsey didn't put in great games v. Guatemala. Let's see what they do over the next two games. There are backup/depth spots available. Q, Dempsey, TWellman and Cunningham could have closed the door on Adu with their play v. Guatemala. But they didn't do it. They are leaving the door open. 3. Adu's level of play has improved dramatcially if you compare the last two months to the previous year. Before his injury he was playing great ball. After his injury, he has done pretty well. He still needs to improve. But this is a projection of next summer's squad, not who is the best player right now. With regards to that projection, Adu's chart has consistently improved over two years. Where will he be next year? My guess is still improving, still getting better. Will that Adu justify a spot on the world cup roster? My gut honestly says he will get a look. He probably gets the same look DMB got in 2002 (a couple of friendlies to see if he can show he belongs). In those friendlies we could see yet another game with Twellman, Cunningham, Wolff, Convey, Dempsey....but I think Arena will have had enough information to draw his own conclusions about those players and take a chance on Adu. At that point, it is up to him to seize the opportunity.