Maradona admits Hand of God goal

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Cassano, Aug 23, 2005.

  1. haaamean

    haaamean Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Santa Ana, Costa Rica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I don't think anyone's actually shocked by this revelation from Maradona..........after all he admitted to it immediately after the game with his hand of God comment.

    That said: What's most troubling about this behavior is that he spoke about how he convinced the team to "celebrate, or he'll take it away.", referring to the ref and his teams puzzled reaction about how obvious the goal was. Maradona should've owned up to the foul regardless of the circumstances. Roy Carroll should've owned up to the goal he let in last year against Tottenham. Regardless of the circumstances and no matter how important the game, we should remember that this is a gentleman's game, not one for liars, cheats, and drug abusers. Let's keep some respect, in a sporting world full of "relative behavior", Football should set the example. How many times do we complain about professional athletes in the states? All the time. Ask yourself what's behind those complaints. Sports players aren't held to the same standards the rest of us are, and the importance of the game shouldn't require lowering the standard. Especially in football. :mad:
     
  2. jcmartins

    jcmartins BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 22, 2005
    United States

    You never played did you?
     
  3. haaamean

    haaamean Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Santa Ana, Costa Rica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Hard fouls aren't cheating. They're part of every game that happens. Punching the ball into the net is no where near what you're describing. Nice try on lowering the standard in our sport, but there are enough great players out there that disagree with you.
     
  4. haaamean

    haaamean Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Santa Ana, Costa Rica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Yes. ;)
     
  5. schafer

    schafer Member+

    Mar 12, 2004

    Yeah, it was Konchesky's tackle on Jenas. The red card was rescinded, but it was still a class act by Shearer. Konchesky pointed out that Shearer thought it wasn't a red, but it was to no avail.
     
  6. MrZedd

    MrZedd New Member

    Jul 18, 2003
    Excuse me, did somebody mention Hotpockets?
     
  7. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Hard fouls (and tactical fouls too) are against the rules, just like handling the ball with the hands. They are both punished with a free kick and at the discretion of the refery also with a yellow or red card.

    If you want to argue that fouls are not a form of cheating because they are much more common, I fail to see the logic in that. In fact, I would argue that fouls are a much bigger problem for the game precisely because they are much more common. Fouls destroy creativity, allow the untalented hacks to take down the great talented players, and take away from the beautiful game. And from a humane standpoint, they are more dangerous because they cause injuries. (And I say that as an untalented hack who is very good at fouling as much as the refs let me get away with).

    I would argue that what Gentile did to Maradona throughout the Argentina-Italy match at the 1982 World Cup under the blind eye of the refery was a much more serious offense against the game than what Maradona did against England at the 1986 World Cup.
     
  8. haaamean

    haaamean Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Santa Ana, Costa Rica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Hard fouls are the result of trying to win the ball, punching the ball into the net is the result of aiming to punch the ball in the net, but it's not the only foul here. The next one comes in the act of trying to act like it never happened, and convincing your team to play along.
     
  9. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Most hard fouls (and of course tactical fouls as well) are an attempt to stop the action, not an attempt to win the ball. Most fouls are committed after a realization that it is not possible to win the ball. Or else they are commited in order to intimidate. And yes, players will often try to pretend they didn't commit the foul which they know they have commited.

    I know. I played both DM and defense.
     
  10. Awe-Inspiring

    Awe-Inspiring New Member

    Jan 18, 2000
    Is murder not a crime because it happens in every city?

    Hard fouls are cheating. They violate the rules.

    So does punching the ball into the net.

    Hard fouls sometimes end a player's career. A hand ball virtually never does.

    In any event, the referee decides whether it has happened.

    In 1986, the referee happened to miss it -- in part because Maradona happened to know he was out of position.

    Maradona for all intents and purposes admitted it in his first post-game interview. I recall a post by a Spanish speaker here months ago saying that the actual quote from Maradona, in response to a question of whether he had used his hand, was that it was "poquito de Dios, poquito de Diego [a little of Divine intervention, a little of Diego]".

    Besides, Maradona was the subject of more cheating hard fouls than he was ever the perpetrator of hand balls.

    In fact, the West German players before the final publicly announced that their strategy for stopping Maradona in the final was going to be fouling him viciously into the turf every time he touched the ball. Was that more justified than a hand ball?

    Of course, Maradona had the last laugh, and he guaranteed it. He told the press that he had teammates who could score, he'd pass them the ball, they'd score and Argentina would win.

    It happened, just like Maradona guaranteed.
     
  11. Asalieri

    Asalieri Member+

    Jun 29, 2004
    Mesa, Arizona
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Only an England fan would still whine over the Hand of god goal.

    Give it a rest, folks.
     
  12. Mobile

    Mobile New Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Melbourne
    Yes, funny that, isn't it? I mean, you never see the French or Italians whining about the Hand of God goal - they were obviously able to deal with it in a much more mature way.
     
  13. ElGaucho

    ElGaucho New Member

    Aug 19, 2001
    La Plata


    I think Rivaldo should read this..

    his display was the worst.. I'd say.. even worse than Maradona's. Why? because it was completely unnecessary...
     
  14. ElGaucho

    ElGaucho New Member

    Aug 19, 2001
    La Plata
    I think you are reaching here...

    the fault rests solely on the shoulders of the referee for making the bad call.

    yes maradona did a handball, yes he told him team mates to play along...

    and... everything else is just sour grapes. period.

    why don't you gripe about another handball - Germany's defending of the goal in 2002... equally as bad if you ask me... and don't tell me none of the other german players knew... they saw it and played along as well..

    maradona's act of cheating is not unique... not by a long stretch..
     
  15. 621380

    621380 Member

    Feb 21, 2004
    germany
    it wasnt the first time in maradonas career he handballed...i have seen few days ago his handball save in the pealtyzone in a worldcup game against sovietunion (watching a fifa dvd)....this was much more a deliberate handball save than german defender frinke did in the usa game.....handball means not automatic penalty call, there are fifa rules for the referee to judge it ...the referee has judged ball against hand in frinke case , but after viewing the replay i think he was wrong for the reason it was few inches hand to ball..only the replay confirm that clearly .....but maradonas hand to ball save against sovietunion was clearly deliberate and nobody need replays to judge it..........
     
  16. SeanK 03

    SeanK 03 New Member

    Aug 9, 2005
    goddamn look at jcmartins avatar
     
  17. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal

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