Ricardo Vaz Te - Thread 2 [R]

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  1. TO DEVILS

    TO DEVILS Member

    Jun 10, 2005
    Canada
    I would love to see him in RED.

    I still think we could use some help up front.
     
  2. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Im telling you...Manuel Fernandes and Vaz Te are the futur...but Vaz Te needs to play...

    Oh yeah Moutinho is the futur too.
     
  3. CR7!

    CR7! New Member

    May 19, 2005
    Custodio isnt half-bad either. :)
     
  4. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Oh yeah i forgot about my man Castro...
     
  5. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Fidel Castro Haha :eek: :eek:
     
  6. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Just an observation but I hope none of you ever accuse the English, or even the Americans of overhyping their players.

    Vaz Te's good but there's a reason why he's not in the Bolton first team; he's not as good as those in front of him, at least not yet. The lad's only 18 give him another two or three years before your write off his Bolton career.
     
  7. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    You dont get it though....He left his motherland at 14 for a reason. The kid has proboly more athletism that all of Boltons players...plus hes got one-on- one tricks that could make someone dizzy....hes 18, all the more reason to give him a chance BOLTON.
     
  8. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    We just wanna see him play. He was great in the Toulon tournament.
     
  9. Ibranco

    Ibranco New Member

    Jun 30, 2004
    Kingston, Canada
    His career is not goning to go down the drain at 18 just because he is not playing now. Now if he was 23 or 24 and still in this same situation then I would start to worry.
     
  10. CR7!

    CR7! New Member

    May 19, 2005
    I also have to agree that their is no need to panic. Yes, he is very talented, but he still has to develop more and has loads of time to do it. 18 is a really young age, look around the EPL, you will see tons of great youngsters of age, like Rossi, still on the reserves. Most players do not break into first teams of rather large clubs straight away at such a young age, he will get his chances, this club knows what he is capable of. Perhaps, a loan deal would have been nice, but I am sure Bolton would want to be able to monitor Vaz Te's progress and coach him personally and they would also want him available for the games against the lower class opposition they may face in FA/League Cup and such.
     
  11. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    LOL he's fast but he hasn't got the stamina to last 90 minutes in the Permiership. He's not strong enough to fully compete with defenders and he disappears for large periods of games. His passing can lave a lot to be desired and he's not exactly got the hardest shot in the world. He's not yet shown the ability to beat good defenders with tricks either. He is fast, he idoes have a lot of potential but he is not first team quality yet.
     
  12. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Exactly, there's tons of time for the lad to develop. He's been our number 1 prospect for a while and I'm hoping he can start making regular appearances in the first team at the end of this season or at some point in the next.
     
  13. geeko79

    geeko79 Member

    Mar 18, 2005
    Toronto
    sporting has played youngsters time and again....Figo at 17,then boa morte, quaresma, ronaldo, simao, moutinho.....If he was in Portugal He would be getting first team minutes. ManU did it with Ronaldo, and Everton with Rooney, Man City with wright-philips.

    I dont see why they won't give him game time...at least against weaker opponents
     
  14. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Because we play a 4-5-1/4-3-3 system and to introduce him we have to change that. Personally I'd like to see him go on loan for a month or two but with our lack of depth we don't know when we may need him.
     
  15. Penguin

    Penguin Member

    Nov 27, 2001
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Maybe he's not as great as everyone here has painted him to be? Maybe it's a bit much trying to compare him to Ronaldo or Rooney?



    PS - Boa Morte never played for the Sporting 1st team; he was sold as a Junior player to Arsenal.
     
  16. CR7!

    CR7! New Member

    May 19, 2005
    There is probably a bit of overhyping going on, but he did have a great showing at Toulon with leading scorer/player of the tournament honors. He has also shown his ability a few times with Bolton, such as in nearly scoring when coming on as a late sub a few weeks back. Bolton know the kind of player they have on their hands, they are just not going to rush him into the first team. Are you going to argue that Giuseppe Rossi is not any good? David Jones is pretty highly regarded at age 20/21 and Man Utd just sent him off on loan, a situation much like the one Beckham was in before he broke into their first team in his early twenties. Give Vaz Te some time.
     
  17. Lillywhite

    Lillywhite New Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    London
    Quincy something something. He played very well for Holland but hasn't got a sniff of the first team. They have the talent but it's still raw. File down the rough edges and they'll start playing.
     
  18. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    give him sometime yeah he will learn eventually but giving him at least 10 minutes a gmae will benefit him in the long haul
     
  19. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    yep and he lost his spot to Henry rather quickly
     
  20. TO DEVILS

    TO DEVILS Member

    Jun 10, 2005
    Canada
    Boa Morte is good but he is no Henry. Let's face it, he had to leave Arsenal in order to make a name for himself, Vaz Te will have to do the same.
     
  21. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    + he's better suited as a winger then a striker. Henry came into Arsenal already with a buzz while Boa had reserve games and maybe a couple of first team appearances. Like Vaz with Bolton, Arsenal didn't know what they had. But there team is stacked anyway so it wasn't a big loss. Should Portuguese lightning strike twice (3 times if you count Ronaldo) and Bolton misuse and then send off Vaz before they know what they have then Bolton would've made a stupid move. We'll see.
     
  22. TO DEVILS

    TO DEVILS Member

    Jun 10, 2005
    Canada
    Vaz Te sooner or later will leave, you cannot develop just by praticing and playing with the reserves. Why waste his youth at Bolton.

    Does anybody know how long his contract is?
     
  23. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Vaz Te will not be able to go to any half decent team an start. That's a fact, he's not good enough. As I said feel free to start talk like this when he's 20/21 but not while he's 18.
     
  24. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Pren i can understand where you are coming from. But if Vaz Te was in Portugal...i believe he would be playing for a first team and making a name for himself in the country....

    VAz Te needs an oppertunity, give him a chance and he will show up for you guys....Looks what going on with Ronaldo, Moutinho, Manuel Fernandes...They got chances to play at a young age and now are regarded as first team players andso top futur prospects...
     
  25. ALBU

    ALBU New Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Toronto/Albufeira
    This is getting a bit out of hand, RVT has had opportunities to impress the Bolton coaching staff - it's called practice. If Moutinho, Fernandes and Ronaldo did not also impress at practice as they had in the reserves - none of them would have seen the pitch for the senior team.

    Does anyone believe that Allardyce would choose to sit RVT if he has shown more promise as a striker than Bolton's other options? And if yes, why?

    Now the kid has accomplished a lot at the reserve-level, but there's a tremendous jump to the senior level. For example, it was two seasons ago that Filipe Oliveira sat on the bench for Chelsea and this past summer he was loaned to Maritimo - where he still sees the bench.

    I believe there are a couple of things working against RVT:
    - Bolton's formation (4-5-1)
    - RVT has not sufficiently impressed Allardyce (this has a couple of subpoints, perhaps RVT is a great reserve player and can "school" kids his own age but cannot make the "jump" to senior-level football)
     

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