Your Starting XI

Discussion in 'Sporting CP' started by Força Sporting, Jul 26, 2005.

  1. Força Sporting

    Sep 29, 2002
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    The roster is pretty much set, and while there are a few more roster moves that need to be made, we can pretty much cast our own starting XI from the following roster. I have included all players that are still in camp, even those that are on the bubble (i.e. Labarthe, Semedo, Veloso, Nani, Varela, Nuno Santos...)

    Goal Keeper's

    Nélson
    Tiago
    Ricardo
    Nuno Santos

    Left Back's

    Paíto
    Edson
    André Marques

    Center Back's

    Polga
    Tonel
    Beto
    Miguel Veloso
    Semedo

    Right Back's

    Miguel Garcia
    Rogério

    Defensive Midfielder's

    Luís Loureiro
    Rochemback
    Custódio
    João Moutinho

    Offensive Midfielder's

    Carlos Martins
    Labarthe

    Right Midfielder's

    Sá Pinto
    Douala

    Left Midfielder's

    Tello
    Nani

    Forward's

    Varela
    Silva
    Deivid
    Liedson
    Manoel
    Pinilla
     
  2. Força Sporting

    Sep 29, 2002
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    My XI is as follows:

    Ricardo; Rogério, Beto, Tonel and Edson; Douala, Rochemback, Custódio and
    João Moutinho; Deivid and Liedson.

    On the bench:

    Nélson, Polga, Miguel Garcia, Luís Loureiro, Carlos Martins, Pinilla and Sá Pinto

    Not too shabby...
     
  3. Aveirenses

    Aveirenses Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Guardiolunya
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I can't stand seeing Carlos Martins on the bench. This guy is pure beast on the field. I hope Peseiro is capable of getting him a lot of time this next season, he's a very good player. The shameful part is the only way he'll eliminate big competition for his spot is when Rochemback goes back when the loan is done, at which point he's a free-agent, which complicates the deal for him some more.

    Until a little more than mid-season Carlos Martins was THE Sporting player, and then Moutinho showed up against Benfica (pretty sure that was his debut game too, if not 'minha culpa').
     
  4. madrod19

    madrod19 New Member

    Jul 5, 2005
    Lisboa
    Ricardo
    Rogério
    Beto
    Polga
    Edson
    Custódio
    Rochemback
    Moutinho
    Douala
    Deivid
    Liedson

    Nélson
    Tonel
    R Tello/L Loureiro
    Nani
    C Martins
    Pinilla
    Manoel/Varela

    A 4-3-3 formation looking like this :


    Ricardo
    Rogério Beto Polga Edson
    Custódio
    Moutinho Rochemback
    Deivid Liedson Douala


    Please, leave Sá Pinto home. He is totally worthless. In the 2 pre season games I saw , when he played , it was as if we had only 10 players on the field.But I like the look of this 11, if Deivid is as good as advertised we could have a solid team.
     
  5. JuveleoRules

    JuveleoRules Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I think the majority of us agree that this should be the base 11:


    ----------------------------------Ricardo---------------------------------

    -------Rogerio-----------Beto----------------Tonel----------Edson--------

    ------------------------------Custodio------------------------------------

    ------------Douala---------------------------Moutinho--------------------

    ----------------------------Rochemback----------------------------------

    -----------Deivid-----------------------------Liedson---------------------
     
  6. JuveleoRules

    JuveleoRules Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    With the above lineup, the only 2 downsides are the fact that you are really playing without true flank players. (Douala being the exception) but you have 2 very good outside backs that should be able to get involved in the offense and thus give you the flank play that is needed to stretch out defenses.

    Custodio is very good at ball recovery and distribution as is Rochemback. This lineup also gives you flexiblity with Moutinho being able to take over at either def-mid or off-mid.

    I also like player with 2 forwards...particularly these 2. These guys can both create their own shots and also are good in the air.

    If nothing else SCP should lead the league in goals scored (Again) and by a wide margin (Again)
     
  7. Resendes

    Resendes New Member

    Dec 29, 2004
    --------------------------Ricardo-----------------------

    Rogerio-----------Beto----------------Tonel----------Edson

    ------Moutinho-----------Loureiro--------------Rochemback

    ------Pinilla---------------Liedson----------------Deivid
     
  8. RonaldoQuaresma88ca

    RonaldoQuaresma88ca New Member

    May 9, 2005
    At the very least Custodio should be in the DM position over Loureiro.

    Leaving Carlos Martins on the bench will be tough - but I believe he will break into the Starting 11 sooner or later.
     
  9. PassItOn

    PassItOn New Member

    Dec 29, 2004
    NJ
    Here is mine.



    ----------------Ricardo---------------

    --Rogerio---Beto-----Polga-----Paito--

    ----------------Custodio--------------

    --Martins-----Moutinho---Rochemback-

    ------Deivid/Douala---Liedson----------
     
  10. JuveleoRules

    JuveleoRules Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I don't think you can start Paito over Edson.

    Like wise Martins has been too inconsistent be in the starting 11 just yet.

    Custodio definately belongs there, but I like having Loureiro because Custodio has been injury prone is his still young career.

    Too bad Miguel Garcia can't crack the lineup, as I really admire this kid.

    The lack of wingers is going to hurt us though...we need someone that can play the left flank, I believe Edson can play there if you want both him and Paito in the lineup.

    Moutinho also needs to play in the middle of the field.
     
  11. PassItOn

    PassItOn New Member

    Dec 29, 2004
    NJ
    Here is my reason, I prefer homemade players.
    Paito, will only get better. Edson is what 28, it's going to be interesting.
    M Garcia would be nice if he took control of that position. Rogerio is a bit to slow for my taste.

    Custodio is one of the best DM in Portugal, and will be on the NT soon.

    Polga is going to have a break through year, He has all the ability, if only he could get a little more agressive.

    I actually put the two forwards on the wrong sides Deivid/Douala, they belong on the left.

    Contrary to what the lampioes or tripeiros think, we have a better team.
     
  12. JuveleoRules

    JuveleoRules Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I hope Polga can have a break through year, but I think he is still a bit too soft...

    I hope Peseiro plays Douala on the wing..with Cameroon he played on the wing and was unstoppable.

    This way you can see if Deivid and Liedson can play together...could be a fantastic match if they each scored 20 goals...
     
  13. Força Sporting

    Sep 29, 2002
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Sporting certainly have a lot of offensive weapons, moreso this season than last. If Deivid shows some of the spark that he does for Santos, then he and Liedson will form a wicked 1-2 punch...
     
  14. Resendes

    Resendes New Member

    Dec 29, 2004
    The strongest team in the Superliga and the best Trainer too.
    Also strong looking european competitor and should be able to attract alot of attention and be very successful and of course make some big $$$ euros. :D
     
  15. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    you mean a lethal tandem of course
     
  16. PassItOn

    PassItOn New Member

    Dec 29, 2004
    NJ
    So to put simply, taking account we have the best playing mid in the SL, and with this attack. We still have Douala, Pinilla, Sa Pinto, Tello, Nani that can step in at any moment.

    If the defense can step it up, we definetely have a championship in site.

    I'm really pulling for Nani, I know the kid from a few years back. Spoke with him this year after he won the juniors championship, and hope he breaks through.
     
  17. Ibranco

    Ibranco New Member

    Jun 30, 2004
    Kingston, Canada
    I think Sporting should use the 4-1-2-1-2.

    Gk- ricardo
    Rb- Rogerio
    Cd- Beto
    Cd- Tonel
    Ld- Edson
    CDM- Custudio
    CM- Rochembauck
    Cm- Moutinho
    Cam- Martins
    St- Deivid
    St- Liedson
     
  18. Força Sporting

    Sep 29, 2002
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I find this an interesting tactic, because essentially you have a diamond shaped midfield, but I think that the lack of true wingers wouldn't make this work, especially when the stikers need the ball fed to them. I think Douala certainly needs to be in the XI somehow, and while I feel that Martins is a very good player, I'm afraid that he will be the one who is sacrificed...
     
  19. JuveleoRules

    JuveleoRules Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    That formation mentioned is what Peseiro is forced to use due to the lack of wingers...he would probably switch to a 4-1-3-2 or 4-3-3 as well if he had better wing players.
     
  20. Penguin

    Penguin Member

    Nov 27, 2001
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon

    Not necessarily. The formation he described (4-1-2-1-2) is what the Portuguese call a "losango" midfield. It's the formation that Fernando Santos used when he was at Sporting, and is similar to the one Mourinho employs at times. In this formation, the attacking midfielder (playmaker) is pushed up in the hole behind the 2 strikers. This was the role that JVP played.

    Peseiro does not use a losango. Instead of a playmaker right behind the strikers, he employs 3 attacking mids in a 4-1-3-2. Peseiro's formation involves more interchanging among the 3 attacking mids. The attacking mids move in conjunction with the runs made by the forwards. For example, when Sa Pinto or Douala was playing upfront last year, they would have a tendency to makes runs out to the wing in order to spread the defense. When they did that, one of the mids would make a run to the space in the middle that Sa/Douala just vacated and be in a position to score goals. This worked particularly effective early in the year when Viana scored a number of goals like this.
     
  21. JuveleoRules

    JuveleoRules Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Your right...

    What I meant is that 4-1-2-1-2 is designed to "funnel" the ball through the midfield and not necessarily via the flanks. Unless of course the outside backs push up on offense which is usually what is needed in order to better spread the defense. When using 2 strikers you will normally have a typical striker that can play with his back to the goal and is very good in the air..the other is more of a work horse who can create his own shots...

    The beauty of using these formations is that they can easily be switched depending on how the game is playing out. The 4-2-3-1 gives you this flexibility as you can change it to a 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2..

    I am a big fan of these "modern" day formations...a flat back four playing zone is always best with 1 or 2 def mids in front of them. Normally you would like a def mid that can recover balls and distribute really well...the other can be a man marker and "enforcer"
     
  22. Penguin

    Penguin Member

    Nov 27, 2001
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    If I was to assume Peseiro's normal formation, this would probably be his bext XI in it:

    ----------Ricardo----------
    Rogerio--Beto-Tonel--Edson
    ---------Custodio----------
    -Rocha--Moutinho---Martins
    -----Deivid/Sa Pinto-----Liedson----


    There is still a lot of questions. Based on his play this offseason, Douala should be in the lineup. During the WBA game, Peseiro was playing Douala at the left sided attacking mid. When we were attacking, it appeared to be a 4-3-3 with Douala pushing up. This might work, but I would be worried about leaving too much space for the opposition to counterattack.

    The second, and probably bigger, problem is what to do with Rochemback/Custodio/Moutinho. I have no doubts that those 3 are our best midfielders. Rocha and Moutinho both play at their best when in the middle of the field. In the the 4-1-3-2, one of them will have to move out to the right side of midfield, where they are both less effective. Does that mean Peseiro sacrifices Custodio by putting Rocha at trinco and Moutinho in front of him? On top of this, he needs to find a place for Martins.

    I guess these are good headaches to have! :D
     
  23. JuveleoRules

    JuveleoRules Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Looking at the lineup he will use today against Boro..

    http://www.record.pt/noticia.asp?id=679933&idCanal=24

    He is going to play Douala in the midfield with Sa Pinto and Liedson up front.

    Douala will play almost like a right wing in a 4-3-3

    Here is his starting lineup as he had it during training...

    Ricardo, Rogério, Beto, Polga, Edson, Rochemback, João Moutinho, Carlos Martins, Douala, Sá Pinto e Liedson.

    I am assuming that Roca will play def mid, or maybe even Moutinho...
     
  24. ChopSoccerDude

    Dec 3, 2004
    New Jersey
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    nice analysis and I agree w/ you 100%
     
  25. Penguin

    Penguin Member

    Nov 27, 2001
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    On the strikers - when you are playing a losango, you really don't need a target striker. Since there's no wings, you should be less likely to have crosses or long balls played up front. Like you said, you will be funnelling balls through the middle of the park, so you would want both strikers to be mobile and make plenty of runs to spread the defense.

    On the D-Mids - whether you play with 1 or 2, I think they both need to exhibit the qualities you mentioned. The buzz word in modern tactics is "transition". Mourinho talks about it endlessly. The team that makes the most efficient transitions between attacking & defending will the game. Having D-Mids who can do that is vital.
     

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