Are the Metro winning pretty yet?

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by KareemSoda, Jul 21, 2005.

  1. KareemSoda

    KareemSoda Member

    Jan 23, 2003
    Not in NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Lalas is serious about this whole "winning pretty" doctrine, I have to believe that there will be major changes made at the end of this season. This team has got to be one of the most boring teams to watch. The question is; will waiting until the end of the season be too late? How many more fans will throw up their hands in disgust, and walk away from this team permanently? I see Mr. Lalas hiring a Brazilian coach, but when?
     
  2. okcomputer

    okcomputer Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    dc
    I think Bradley has no chance of coming back unless he miraculously wins MLS cup this year. His style of play and his personality arent what Alexi is looking for.
     
  3. CbR

    CbR Member

    Nov 10, 2000
    Bergen County NJ
    we aint winning schit this year, bob is as good as gone when his contract expires
     
  4. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    Fans have given Bradley lots of rope, but I sense the tide changing big time now.
     
  5. okcomputer

    okcomputer Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    dc
    Yeah. Losses and ties to RSL, Colorado, and Columbus seemed to be the final straw.
     
  6. fan

    fan New Member

    Jan 21, 1999
    Yep, it's going to start flooding soon. And I've liked the players brought in so far this season.
     
  7. NOBES

    NOBES New Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    You could argue about defensive tactics, it's a valid point after all, but i will submit to you that what Bob is going through right now is just a reality check, and there aren't many coaches that would deal with these realities any better than him. I think we could all agree that the mighty Chicago Fire was a team put together by the league to win, regardless of whom was at the helm, that is not to say tha Bob isn't a good coach, but the "eastern block' was as solid as you could have in this or any league in the world. Allocating teams by nationality played to their favor as well, as it did for DC with the Bolivians Etche and Moreno when they were at their best. The quality of the likes of Kubik and Novak could not be matched, and then Hristo, how is that for an encore.

    Bob is a good coach and he will learn from this experience and realize that without the kind of team the league gave him in Chicago he just needs to adjust and he will, unless TL aka "the firehouse angel" (Max Earnst character)decides to give him the same in NY, then he has proven that he can handle that, and everything will be fine in Metroland.
     
  8. j1mbr0wn

    j1mbr0wn Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    Newark, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why should we wait so long? Get rid of him now.
     
  9. futbolrey

    futbolrey New Member

    Dec 20, 2002
    Burke, Va
    i don't think lalas will fire bob bradley

    why b/c this is the same league that keep Greg Andrulis for 4 yrs.
     
  10. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    When AEG sees an empty stadium next Wednesday night as the Metros play a mid-summer match against first place FC Dallas, this could be the final straw.
     
  11. NOBES

    NOBES New Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    We will announce "12 K" and everybody will go home happy, plus it has been concluded in this board that level of play has little to do with attendance.
     
  12. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't confuse AEG (who fired a pretty successful Sigi Schmid midway through the season) with Hunt Sports Group, who has been notoriously patient and slow to pull a trigger with their clubs

    NOBES - we already announced 8k for last game against Colorado, I don't think Lalas is going to cook the attendence figures at all.

    Metrofever - on that note, I don't think the attendance figures are going to be Bob's downfall since that has an awful lot to do with things off the field. Bob will get fired when they don't make the playoffs.
     
  13. okcomputer

    okcomputer Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    dc
    I dont think he will either. I just dont think he'll renew his contract when it expires this year.
     
  14. NOBES

    NOBES New Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    I will issue a challenge to members of this board and put the attendance issue to rest, I would like to count, yes count the fans that show up the next home game, it's really not too difficult, I bet is less than 5 K.
     
  15. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    How is 8k not "cooking the books"?
     
  16. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    For the Colorado it was easily less that 5...
     
  17. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because one-tenth of the stadium being full is about right considering as usual, it is tickets sold that is counted (and considering the lack of ancilliary revenue, the important one for Metro) - I'm sure there are no-shows too.
     
  18. NOBES

    NOBES New Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    What Fina is saying is that the word "announce" gives franchises a good way to hide the real problems they have drawing, announcing 12 K for LA _ NY was an insult to our intelligence and to say that there were more than 5 K vs Colorado is even worst.

    We, as fans want the "actual" number, not the other one because I don't want to be believing things that are not true, if I miss a game I want to know how many people actually showed up, not some made up number gigen by MFO to hide their deficiencies.
     
  19. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have yet to know any franchise to not take advantage of it.

    As a former Ranger season ticket holder, I can tell you that when the team sucked, announced attendence (tickets sold) and actual butts in the seats were night and day.

    Same thing with the Knicks. and Giants. and Jets

    It's not a made up number BTW. Both sets of numbers are important - each tells you different things. One gives you an idea of the popularity of the team, and the other gives you an idea of how crappy the team on the field is and serves as a warning signal that sports frnachises should take heed to.
     
  20. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    Using Nicks definition from last seasons interview on METRO Fanatic, the attendance number is all tickets outstanding for the game.​
    No shows are factored in ofcourse. How about tickets given away gratis? Freebees are common place. Also, how about tickets that might even be double counted as part of the 'never waste a ticket program'. A person could trade in a ticket for a game (having that ticket being counted towards the initial games attendance, then again for a second game as he trades it in for another game. ​
    There are so many ways to play games with the numbers that they become a joke in MLS. They are pretty much useful just for some of these guys here on BigSoccer to guess and stuff. As far as getting any worthwhile information from though, they are complete garbage. ​
     
  21. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was Nick. Nick did that, not MLS, and not Alexi. I think that if it was Nick, that Colorado game would have been announced as 12k.
     
  22. NOBES

    NOBES New Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    You can bet that all the parents in those half time mini games were given at least one free if not both, because they were part of "the show", plus all the corporate give aways and the people that get in without tickets, "all access" passes etc. etc. what you are left with is a pathetic crowd as far as numbers.

    I will say this again, let's "count", yes count the fans when we play the top team in the league and that will be the only number that counts for us the fans, if it is more than 5 K I will never again post about attendance.
     

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