The best thing to come out of this tournament besides Roman getting some respect was the fact that he and Aimar played off each other really well. If Pablito gets and maintains his fitness, this could be an awesome combo. Tevez must play. Pekerman has to have reasons for not starting Tevez. The only thing that comes to mind is that Tevez is already a lock for 06. Tevez and Crespo could be good. We'll see.
Hmmmm. Riquelme, Aimar, Tevez and Crespo all at the same time. Mouth-watering for the offensive football minded. I'd like to see what they could accomplish jointly on the pitch. Could you see Pekerman trying this out in the last three meaningless WCQs for Arg? Is this something that the Arg public would demand? No one believed Parreira would ever move to such an offensive formation (Quarteto) with the Selecao...but he had the ghosts of history (1970) to deal with when trying to resist public opinion.
I really hope he tries it out. From his current actions he seems to have plans to leave out Tevez from the '06 squad. Bielsa had overlooked Riquelme and Pekkerman is doing the same to Carlitos. The combo of Riquelme-Aimar-Crespo-Tevez is worth trying. In fact I would like to see him try out this line up. Abbondanazieri Sorin Samuel/Ayala Coloccini Zanetti/Heinze Maascherano Riquelme Aimar Lucho Tevez Crespo
I hope he would try it. It's the best time to do so.... Parreira has really moved away from the "defensive" style everyone thought he would use. Do you think the presence of Zagallo helped "guide" him?
What makes you say that? Just because he's not getting playing time doesn't mean he's not going to get called up. Besides, coaches see the players more than we do...they see them in the training sessions. Perhaps he already has an idea of what he can do.....who knows. I hope we see him in the next WCQ.
I realize that Arg was trying to win this game and not experiment too much, but why on earth didn't Aimar and Tevez start? Everyone else played almost 120 minutes against Mexico three days prior. Why not go with the fresh legs? I think Tevez needs more of a chance with the seleccion. He was an absolute force last year in Copa America. Does Pekerman have personal problems w/ him or what? Also, do you guys think Messi will be on the WC squad next summer? I suppose it really just depends on his season with Barca, but he has been amazing at the WYC. I would really like to see him get a chance with the senior team.
Very astute point Xeneize. Zagallo won a WC going with the "best available" concept...he may have been in CAPs ear. That, in addition to massive public pressure, may have finally moved him. Question is, is there such pressure in Argentina for Pekerman? Do Aimar and Tevez have enough public support at this point?
Don't forget, Zagallo was part of Parreira's team in 1994 too. I think it's the abundance of offensive talent and midfield talent in general that is forcing Parreira to play so offensively - he can afford to do so and still gets to keep the ball as he likes.
Another valid point you present, Ombak. Although after the 24 year drought I don't think even this group of players would have moved the CAP of 1994. He's already a WC winning coach and success has followed the team recently. It might be easier today for him to move away from his dogmatic ways than during his first stint. Selecao fans seem ameniable to weaken their defensive system in order to see an overtly offensive team...its a trade-off they intuitively are comfortable with (though they then blame the defenders for every loss). From reading Argentine papers, I don't get the sense that this same compulsion of playing the best offensive players all at once exists in Argentina. Argentine fans, am I wrong? Should be interesting to see what Pekerman chooses to do.
I would guess you're right, considering Tevez's inability to break the starting line-up despite being such a talismanic player. He is a 'tweener, not a pure forward and thus isn't so much competing for a spot versus the starters, but versus the coach's concept of how they should play. The selection of Riquelme over Aimar (as opposed to Aimar and Riquelme together) seems to be another indication of this since Riquelme contributed to that pressing system in BA while also creating from midfield. Aimar is purely offensive creativity. Anyways, I'm also curious to hear the Argentine fans' reply and discuss this idea with them.
Everytime Pekerman has played Roman and Aimar together, they've done really well. Tevez I believe being the tweener that he is will make the squad next summer because of his versatility. Aimar not getting much playing time imho is due to Pekerman not wanting to force too much out of a guy that is often injured. We have riches galore in the attack our problem is consistency in defense. Ayala of course would bring the stability but I'd like to see Gonzalo and Demechelis get more chances. We know what Samuel and company can do. My line up would be more like this. Pato Zanetti Gonzalo Ayala Heinze Maschcerano Sorin Aimar Riquelme Saviola Crespo Subs: Tevez Lucho Demechelis This line up would sure us up the middle and allow Aimar/Riquelme/Saviola to rotate around and provide chances for Crespo/Tevez.
Pekerman interview today: ¿Por qué se pasó de bailar a ser bailado en apenas 21 días? Del partido ése sólo repetimos cuatro jugadores (Coloccini, Heinze, Sorin y Riquelme). Nadie en el mundo puede cambiar siete futbolistas y repetir una actuación así. Y esto no va en contra de mis jugadores, porque ellos saben el respaldo que les tengo. http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v3/pagina.jsp?pagId=1005713 .
I think this would be the ideal team: Abbondanzieri/Lux Ayala/Samuel Coloccini Heinze/Zanetti Mascherano Sorin Kily Aimar Riquelme Tevez Crespo I am beginning to question Sorin's value on the team. I think he is a hard working, dedicated player.. but I really don't have the impression that he really contributes much, other than running around a lot. His touch isn't very good, and he gets into a lot of trouble. also a shame Clemente Rodriguez was not part of the team.. I think he definitely deserves a spot on the team. Saviola I also think is not up to par as a starter.. in fact, if we are going to take risks with young kids, I'd rather put Messi on than this kid. I am worried about Coloccini's increasing fouling.. his performance in the olympics was superb... clean steals.. but now he is drawing too many yellows.
I am also infact, apprehensive about Sorin, as u said I too doubt if he is being that effective. I wouldn't mind swapping him for Killy. Lucho played excellenty against Brazil in Buenos Aires (the only time I saw him play). Messi is still a kid. But I really want to see Tevez start. He was xcellent in the Copa and he showed his brilliance as soon as he came in. Pekerman needs to keep trust in him (like Parriera did with Adriano).
You hit the nail on the head. It's similiar to the situation with Riquelme and Bielsa. Pekerman is more flexible, however, so there's still hope. As far as starting lineups go.... ********Pato******** Zanetti**Coloccini**Ayala**Heinze Lucho ***Mascherano****Kily ********Riquelme********* *****Tevez************** **********Crespo******** I like this.....Zanetti could come up and guard Lucho's spot while Lucho could come up and play with Riquelme, Tevez could also be a creative partner with Riquelme. I like Tevez better than Saviola b/c he can recieve the ball with his back to the goal and withstand the pressure better than Saviola. This back four allows the defense to utilize a line of three, if they wanted to attack more. I like the flexibility of moving from a 4-3-1-2, to a 3-3-2-2, or a 4-3-2-1.....Most of the players are versatile enough....???
I like that formation ... but both Bielsa and moreso Pekerman consider Sorin the "soul" of the team ... he is even the captain in this process. I think that either Coloccini or Zanetti will leave their place for Juanpi. Also .. Pekerman sees Zanetti as an 8 not a right back. He said so again 2 days ago in an interview with Ole. .
The loss against brazil was very bitter pill for us, but i feel we can win the worldcup, with the amount of time availble and also we can anylise our stregnth and weakness. The main concern is the defence 1.They looked some tentative when the ball is in the penalty box, almost everytime the ball comes in there, i feel some how we create options for penalty.With Ayala getting old and plagued by injuries, we dont have a proper leader in the back, Samuel is really in very poor form, Heinze looked very tired, Coloccini looks as a better prospect but makes some harsh fouls, Gonozolo looks good, so does Milito, but iam very critical of the fact that our defenders are very slow, we do fall in trouble when some fast guys like rooney or robiho or some fast kid plys, we do fall in trouble, i think perkerman will to have do lot of work here, anyalise and organise the defence,we have test some other youngerters, who are fast and who can make some good stelas and also give likes of gonozolo milito some more chances, i would like to see clemente rodriguez, he was full of pace, you guys can also name some good defenders and some quick ones and good prospects. Sorin, Mascherano,Lucho are the back bone of the team, beacuse they do all the running ,tackiling and killing the oppostions attacks and setting up our attack, so we need to find these guys fit for the worldcup, zantetti is worldclass, but we should also try some young ones in the DM position, any promising players there, i heard feranddo gago is gd?, is he really that gud, cambiasso cannot play in the postion of mascherano, though cambiasso is good, he can probally play in luchos position as some had mentioned in the post, bernadi sucks, i dont think he is NT material, i would have insetead loved to see perkerman trying demichells, any other prospects??? Riquelme looked tired as the games went on, we need some one to help him, last time we had this prob when we relied on veron and he wasnt 100 percent aand we cound find other one, aimar will do a gud job, once he gets fit, it will be fun to watch him,.but personally with we have already qulified for worldcup, we should try some players who can reaplce hte main plaers if they are injured or out of form. i would like to see perkermna trying out franco (with pato bgeing the 1st chocie, it is better to test fracno or cabellero with lux given a run for the complete torunment) gonozolo rodriugez milito Torres(heard he is doing well in wyc) or some other outstadin talent can be found and tested, especially players with good pace. c.rodrugez making these guys play with verterans like heinze r ayala wll really help them out. wat abt cata diaz,walter garcia, hw r they progressing i will also like perkerman to try demechilles in DM position,Feranddo GAgo,Battliga, wat abt Zabelta(captain of Argentina in WYC) i also like to see perkerman trying Veron, he is playing well in inter, it is not bad in giving him a chance, if he has the same fire, take him, keep in bench, he is good.Solari, i think if he moves to inter, i think surely solari must be playgin in the Nt, too good to be left out, also i would like perkerman to try to rosales once he is back from injury, he holded lot of promise, played well in the games he played for nt, and also played well for ajax, he is damm good winger, has lot of pace, cuts in well, also i would like perkerman trying to giving delgado some chances, he is also quick. with the following players playing well, there places will be almost secure if not for the reason of injury or form 1.pato 2.heinze 3.ayala 4.zanetti 5.sorin 6.mascherano 7.lucho 8.riquelme 9.amiar 10.crespo 11.saviola 12.tevez 13.cambiasso 14.galletti 15.coloccini 16.figroua i was impressed with these players so far, so i think they all deserve thier place in wcup. Guys who didnt impress me at all 1.Duscher 2.Scoloni 3.Placente 4.Bernandi PLayers who have been given chance, but has to prove a bit 1.Maxi Rodriguez 2.Sanata 3.Milito 4.Samuel 5.Demichelles so with this i think the for some of the friendlies and also in the wcq we should try some of the follwoing players 1.franco 2.gonzolo 3.milito 4.clemente 5.demichelles or fernado gago 6.solari 7.santa 8.rosales 9.veron 10.tevez( give him full 90 min to play) 11.Maxi Lopez 12. D.Milito 13. F.Cavenghi 14. L.castroman 15. m.gallardo 16. a.ortega 17. daniel ludndea 18. Lionel Messi(Should be surely played in some of friendlies to asses his growth, if heis ready, then he can used as a sub, he has lot of pace) 19.Placios 20.N.Cardozo 21.Cata Diaz 22. Walter Garcia 23. Torres 24. D'Alessandro (i forget him, he will be a great assest to the team) wat u guys think, do u people find me right or wrong, if u people can tell me any gud players who can play well in some positions tat i have mentioned it will be handy
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\ i agree wit ur analysis of tevez and saviola and i like ur lineup.. except for maybe one thing- i have never seen aimar play at his "BEST" but even when he is not, he seems like a great player to me. I would definitely try to fit him in there instead of kily... but with that lineup u just mentioned- i agree, we can do wonders.
first of all, good comments... I also agree with you, clemente rodriguez and rosales should be given a shot. I am willing to put Veron back as back up to Riquelme to see what he can do. here are my thoughts (if you care) with the following players playing well, there places will be almost secure if not for the reason of injury or form 1.pato (old, and getting less reliable as time passes - go with Lux) 2.heinze (great player.. even with the occasional mistake - keep) 3.ayala ( is great. keep) 4.zanetti ( the always dependable work horse, a must as a starter) 5.sorin ( definitely the soul, but questionable effectiveness! ) 6.mascherano ( a must t have as starter) 7.lucho ( not bad, but overall career consistency is spotty) 8.riquelme (great, but really needs help, we cannot depend on just one man) 9.amiar ( must play as starter, a must) 10.crespo ( didn't like him before, but seems to be coming back - must start) 11.saviola ( keep on the bench when up against difficult teams) 12.tevez (always start up against difficult teams) 13.cambiasso (worthless.. maybe only good for easy teams) 14.galletti ( good, but not as starter) 15.coloccini ( great defense.. keep) 16.figroua (use only against easy teams) i was impressed with these players so far, so i think they all deserve thier place in wcup. Guys who didnt impress me at all 1.Duscher (agreed) 2.Scoloni ( agreed) 3.Placente (agreed.. keep him away) 4.Bernandi ( agreed) PLayers who have been given chance, but has to prove a bit 1.Maxi Rodriguez ( good player... keep as backup) 2.Sanata (worthless.. don't understand why people like him) 3.Milito ( not up to NT standards yet.. keep away) 4.Samuel ( losing faith in him... keep on bench) 5.Demichelles ( never seen him play yet) so with this i think the for some of the friendlies and also in the wcq we should try some of the follwoing players 1.franco (agreed) 2.gonzolo (agreed) 3.milito (forget him) 4.clemente (take him now) 5.demichelles or fernado gago (yes) 6.solari (yes) 7.santana ( NO!) 8.rosales ( YES!) 9.veron (yes!) 10.tevez( give him full 90 min to play) YES 11.Maxi Lopez (yes) 12. D.Milito (NO NO NO) 13. F.Cavenghi (try him out) 14. L.castroman (NO) 15. m.gallardo (YES) 16. a.ortega ( DEFINITE NO!!!) 17. daniel ludndea ??? 18. Lionel Messi (yes as sub) 19.Placios (yes as sub) 20.N.Cardozo (NO) 21.Cata Diaz ?? 22. Walter Garcia ?? 23. Torres ?? 24. D'Alessandro (YES.. D'Alessandro as starter!)
Thanks for ur time and ur reply, WEll watched the finals of WYC yesterday, i was very impressed with the goalie, and the defence, The guy paueltia really impressed me a lot, also was impressed with fernando gago and also bigula, messi was messmerissing, do u know any of our young defenders who are quick, who can counter the attacks from guys like rooney, may be we have to check out some good defenders, any of defenders whoimpressed u in the argentine league??
I really think Solari should be given a chance. He would be a good alternative to Kily on the LM or LW. Hopefully he will get more playing time, now that he is at Inter.
You know, I wouldn't mind seeing a doble-cinco w/ Mascherano and Veron. Veron is good at applying pressure and a GREAT distributer of the ball. He has laser accurate passes. Mascherano---well....the guy is a great ball winner and tackler. I think the two would complement each other quite well in the middle of the pitch. Also, as the games moves on, Veron could also move up a bit and be a creative partner with Riquelme.
exactly.. my worry for Riquelme is that from now on he will be marked very hard, since all passes will go through him.. if we had Veron to help with the playmaking... I think that would free up Riquelme more.. Sorin just doesn't cut it in this respect...