I was forced to watch that glorious event it at my favorite Irish Pub in Heidelberg as I couldn't get out of duty the next morning. I was in a full BVB uniform. Shirt, shorts, socks and Nikes! Even though that pub was run by friends of mine, it was full of Juventus supporters who shouted insults and abuse at me from before kickoff all the way up until Ricken's goal. When Ricken scored, I jumped up on a table and screamed at all the Juventus fans, "F#CK JUVENTUS! F#CK YOU FOREVER AND MAY YOU NEVER WIN IT AGAIN!!" And they haven't to this day..........
Quote: Originally Posted by footyfan1 I was forced to watch that glorious event it at my favorite Irish Pub in Heidelberg as I couldn't get out of duty the next morning. I was in a full BVB uniform. Shirt, shorts, socks and Nikes! Even though that pub was run by friends of mine, it was full of Juventus supporters who shouted insults and abuse at me from before kickoff all the way up until Ricken's goal. When Ricken scored, I jumped up on a table and screamed at all the Juventus fans, "F#CK JUVENTUS! F#CK YOU FOREVER AND MAY YOU NEVER WIN IT AGAIN!!" And they haven't to this day.......... It was one of the best nights of my life. And the reason I still hate Juventus to this day........
Quote: Originally Posted by footyfan1 I was forced to watch that glorious event it at my favorite Irish Pub in Heidelberg as I couldn't get out of duty the next morning. I was in a full BVB uniform. Shirt, shorts, socks and Nikes! Even though that pub was run by friends of mine, it was full of Juventus supporters who shouted insults and abuse at me from before kickoff all the way up until Ricken's goal. When Ricken scored, I jumped up on a table and screamed at all the Juventus fans, "F#CK JUVENTUS! F#CK YOU FOREVER AND MAY YOU NEVER WIN IT AGAIN!!" And they haven't to this day.......... As I said in another response, it's the major reason I still hate Juventus to this day. Their fans were just obnoxious. I was well drunk by the end of the match and wound up reporting for duty the next day still smelling of beer. But, all there who were stationed in Germany knew about me being a huge BVB fan and covered for me. Some of our co-workers were there from the USA and were asking questions. My fellow soldiers stationed in Germany had to tell the American co-workers that it was equal to my team winning the Super Bowl. Then they understood too. I even got to go home early.
We partied with some Juve supporters after the match in a Munich Brauhaus (not the Hofbräuhaus). Although they lost they didn't mind and had a good time with us.
I have to say this was a depressing Dortmund season. I spent years cursing Sammer, I felt like he stamped the life out of the team. Now he is gone, and I see a glimmer a ray of soccer hope, but I still did not see a lot of joy on the Dortmund field. I have been routing for Dortmund since 1996 -- decided to become a fan when they beat the Evil lady of Turin in the CL finals. 1997 was the first year I ever followed the Bundesliga. When Rosicky first came to Dortmund he was a pleasure to watch. Now he looks depressed -- almost like he should be hanging out with Deisler. This year, I almost dropped Dortmund for Leverkusen (on account of I am American, they got Donovan, and Leverkusen was playing more entertaining soccer. When Leverkusen dropped Donovan (or vice-versa), even though Dortmund seemed to be getting its house in order, I simply stopped watching the BL. I am going to give the BL and Dortmund another chance in the fall, but I had much more fun watching Olympique Lyonnais and the French league in late spring than watching the Bundesliga this year. I would rate Dortumund last year as a 5.5.
No offense but spoken like a modefan No heart for the club Just try to get into it , open your heart and not your hunger for success True fans don't run when it doesn't work they stick with the club, they even critisize it but they never run You truly don't got the spirit by now ... but if you truly don't think BVB is you club then Bon voyage
If that's what you think, you must have missed the second half of the season...... We had the second best record in the league in the second half of the season. We finally beat Schalke. If that's "depressing" to you, well, you need to be rooting for Bayern with the "gloryhunters". I spent years cursing Sammer too. Trying to get other fans and club management (via e-mail) to listen. No one would until it was too late. If you didn't see a lot of joy from our players on the pitch, again, I don't think you saw the second half of the season....... Except for the huge loss to Bayern and dropping two important victories against Bielefeld and Freiburg (We still drew both matches), it was like a freakin' transformation. We are very much a team in the rise. Again, you must not have seen the second half of the season. EVERYONE came around. Even Rosicky and Ewerthon. If they'd played the first half of the season the way they played the second half, we would have been title contenders. Bert van Marwijk just needed time to get the players to buy into his philosophies. Once they did, the team went on a roll. Hell, again, we even freakin beat Schalke at their place!!! I'm American too and I've been supporting BVB since 1992-93. Through the good times and the bad. I like Leverkusen too. Because they were the first club to truly give American players a chance. And I can tell you they only let LD go because LD was such a punk b!tch, he couldn't perform when he wasn't the "Big Fish In The Small Pond". LD wasn't enough of a man to function so far away from mommy, sis, and girlie. Maybe one day, he'll mature enough to truly want to put his talents up against the best in the world. Bayer gave him every chance to succeed. He was too much of a punk to take it. For those who insist on blaming Leverkusen, remember this. Claudio Reyna made it there. It's where he got his start. Frankie Hejduk made it there. Under Christoph Daum, Frankie even fought his way into the starting lineup. Even Jeff Cunningham, who truly wasn't good enough, fought until he realized he'd be better off in MLS. Donovan is the only who acted like a little punk, whining and crying to go home to mommy. At one time I thought LD was the great American hope. I thought he would be the one to break the "Americans Can't Play This Game" stereotype that Germans love to deny, but still truly exists there. Instead, he made it just that much harder for every American following him. See "HeyaBVB's" response to you....... If that's the case, then again, you really didn't see the second half of the season. You make it seem like we were fighting relegation instead of fighting for a UEFA Cup spot.........
I'm American too and I've been supporting BVB since 1992-93. Through the good times and the bad. I like Leverkusen too. Because they were the first club to truly give American players a chance. And I can tell you they only let LD go because LD was such a punk b!tch, he couldn't perform when he wasn't the "Big Fish In The Small Pond". LD wasn't enough of a man to function so far away from mommy, sis, and girlie. Maybe one day, he'll mature enough to truly want to put his talents up against the best in the world. Bayer gave him every chance to succeed. He was too much of a punk to take it. For those who insist on blaming Leverkusen, remember this. Claudio Reyna made it there. It's where he got his start. Frankie Hejduk made it there. Under Christoph Daum, Frankie even fought his way into the starting lineup. Even Jeff Cunningham, who truly wasn't good enough, fought until he realized he'd be better off in MLS. Donovan is the only who acted like a little punk, whining and crying to go home to mommy. At one time I thought LD was the great American hope. I thought he would be the one to break the "Americans Can't Play This Game" stereotype that Germans love to deny, but still truly exists there. Instead, he made it just that much harder for every American following him. DID you know that Leverkusen paid Donovan to leave? I thought that was amazing, how can such a great player get dealt with like that... i thought it was funny becaues i never thought he was better than Beasley, who is doing great with PSV
Donovan? A "great player?" Can't agree with you there. I'm pretty sure Landon and Leverkusen came to an agreement to void his contract. That's standard procedure. I don't think you can all that "Paying Donovan To Leave".
Keith, we see here the same as with those Iranians ppl who can't look BEYOND National arrogancy blaming anyone but not the player as he has their nationality Donovan bitched , Leverkusen let him go They wanted him, he doesn't wanted to stay here (the 2nd Time I must add) Now blaming Leverkusen is ridiculous
Wandi, I think it's more the Iranian and Donovan fans being "unrealistic" rather than "arrogant". And think about this...... You aren't any better when it comes to Germany.
Nahh I just like to argue with you *kidding* Ok I'm a lil bit biased but you know I can critisize germany if I see a reason to do so ....
Quote: Originally Posted by footyfan1 Wandi, I think it's more the Iranian and Donovan fans being "unrealistic" rather than "arrogant". And think about this...... You aren't any better when it comes to Germany. Not really Wandi. You only criticize them when the situation is hopeless. If they were "close" to doing something, you find excuses as to why they didn't get the job done. Every time. This last match against Brazil was the perfect case in point. Germany themselves just didn't get the job done. Heaven knows Germany did one hell of a job and it makes me think Germany will beat Brazil if they meet again next year. However, nobody lost that match for Germany but Germany. Brazil were simply better when and where it counted. Anyone not cheering for one team or the other could see that. Not you. You had to blame the referees. And I'm not just talking about this match. I get upset because you do it all the time. When Germany or BVB are "bad" and they get beaten, you say so. I definitely give you credit for that. But when they come close to winning, but lose, you are the first one with an excuse whether an excuse is actually appropriate or not. And nine times out of ten, you point the finger at the referees. Yes, sometimes, it's deserved. More often than not, it isn't. So, I don't feel the Iranian guys and the Donovan fans are guilty of "arrogance". They are just "unrealistic" in their views. Hell, I'm like that about Conor Casey & Cacau!!! But you won't see me making excuses for the USA team or BVB. When we get robbed, I'll say that, but when we lose because we just didn't get the job done you won't see me pointing fingers at someone else. That's the difference I'm talking about.
I saw the Germany Brazil match full time and the ref whistled pro brazil in half two Its my oppinion But i also said Adriano made the difference as he had part in all 3 goals
That Germany-Brazil match was just an example of my point and that's almost always your opinion when Germany loses a tight match. Think back. If you wish to see it, you will see the pattern. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. Just as anyone is entitled to disagree with your opinion. I knew which Germany fans I correspond with would say something about the referees. It was too predictable. Tell me. How many more do you see blaming the referees?? Do you see Klinsmann doing it?? How about Ballack? You said it yourself. Adriano was the difference. The referees didn't help him. Brazil supporters can say they got jacked on that penalty call on Roque Junior. Yes, Roque Junior was grabbing and pulling, but so was Huth. I don't have anything against the call, but would not have blamed the referee if he'd kept his whistle in his pocket. I thought he actually should have done so. You can complain about the referees, but they didn't decide that match. The players did. I'm getting away from my point. This isn't about that one match. I used it as an example. Again, look back. Use our list archives. Whenever Germany blows a match they could have won or should have won, more times than not, you are coming up with excuses for them. Think honestly. I have better things to do than just "attack" you. I'm saying this because it's something I've noticed from you over the years. If you think I'm wrong, so be it. But I don't think I am.