Its Official Liverpool will not be able to defend its lucky crown!

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by Italia4life, May 26, 2005.

  1. bennocelt

    bennocelt Member

    Jun 1, 2005
    wales

    by playing in the WC qualifiers then Brazil technically are defending their trophy!!!!!
     
  2. The Bergamister

    The Bergamister New Member

    Jan 14, 2004
    Bergamo and Brussels
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Ridiculous, they should have played better during the season then they would have been there.

    It is called the champions league because it used to be the different league champions that played each other. And although Liverpool had a great performance in Europe this year, they did not perform in their own country, so no they should not be there.

    It has never been the case and why should they change it for Liverpool?
     
  3. wrenmj

    wrenmj New Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Texas
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    how about this one? it's the champion's league and liverpool are it's champions.
     
  4. Timanfaya

    Timanfaya Member+

    May 31, 2005
    Southampton
    Nearly right.

    The Title Holder always automatically gets a place in the following season's CL.

    The only exception is if that Title Holder is Spanish, English, and Italian, and they haven't also qualified again for the CL by their position in the league. Then it would take the number of entries from that country above the all-important number 4. That's the only reason that Liverpool are not automatically back in it.
     
  5. Forza AZ

    Forza AZ New Member

    Jun 26, 2003
    Alkmaar
    By playing in the English Premier League Liverpool were also technically defending their title (allthough before they won it ;) ).
     
  6. wrenmj

    wrenmj New Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Texas
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    does anyone recognize the irony (or stupidity) in uefa going through all the trouble to build the champion's league...spend the billions...play the tournament and crown its victor only to say that their own champion is so irrelevant that they have no interest in seeing them return or not.

    by putting the final selection in the hands of the fa, that is essentially what they are doing.
     
  7. Timanfaya

    Timanfaya Member+

    May 31, 2005
    Southampton
    Good one!!
     
  8. stevieg987

    stevieg987 Member

    Mar 20, 2005

    The World Cup comes once every four years while Liverpool could be plaing in th CL Qualifying in 2 months. So your argument doesnt hold through.
     
  9. wrenmj

    wrenmj New Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Texas
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    right on. apples to oranges by comparison. you could conceivably win the wc and field an entirely different team four years later. but if you were to use the wc as a comparison, i would argue that you can win the wc and you're not automatically sacked because of some ridiculous uefa rule.
     
  10. Timanfaya

    Timanfaya Member+

    May 31, 2005
    Southampton
    Sums it up nicely.
     
  11. jtowns3

    jtowns3 New Member

    Mar 29, 2004
    Chicago

    You are right with the "name arguement. What is wrong with the "no name" teams though? Nothing is wrong with them. Liverpool should just be afforded the opportunity to play in next years CL competition, it's just what I feel (and most other LFC supporters) :p
     
  12. bohemainrhapsody redded

    Jun 7, 2005

    Ac Milan are losers dude, 3-0 up at the half then blowing it,
    Ac Milan are over rated,not a top quality team, wont even
    get close to the final next season....Up the Mighty Reds of
    Liverpool......Champions League Winners 2005...
     
  13. TruReds

    TruReds New Member

    Jun 12, 2004
    KL
    Wassup? Aren't all human kind behind us in defending our crown?? :confused:
     
  14. Yogiburr

    Yogiburr New Member

    May 27, 2005
    Tamworth
    This is coming from a chelsea fan. At the end of the day mate the only reason why your saying that is because they knocked you out and you didn't win the CL. Every team that wins a competition should have the right to defend there title no matter what. If anything the FA should take the place from chelsea for breaking rules then there killing two birds with one stone.
     
  15. ste_gerrard

    ste_gerrard New Member

    Jun 7, 2005
    Birkenhead
    it would be up to everton. if that happened and they got through, i would cheer them on all the way through, but if we get through, then that proves that we should be there. it could even be classed as a league game, cos were only 3 pts behind, so if we beat them, we would be level on points but have a higher goal difference..i like that idea!
     
  16. ste_gerrard

    ste_gerrard New Member

    Jun 7, 2005
    Birkenhead
    i like that even more!!!
    first cole then arneson, the pl sed that if they did it again theyd have 3 pts deducted...well? they done it again, they should now be on -3points for next season, AND uefa said that if they were found guilty before the season was over they would disqualify them, as they done it twice, why not disqualify them nxt year. Great thinking yogiburr im just saying why!
    PS can anybody tell me where i could get tickets for the club cup in december cos i want to go there as my GCSEs stood in the way of me goin the CL final
     
  17. wrenmj

    wrenmj New Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Texas
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    here is your solution uefa, free of charge.

    SOLUTION:
    1. prior to the start of the cl, create a single winner take all "entry" match between cl champions and a participating qualifying team
    2. offer match to each lowest cl qualifiers
    3. create incentives/advantages for qualifying clubs to participate:
    - financial / grant substantial revenue from tv, etc. or create a single fee
    - home field / schedule the match on the qualifier's home pitch
    - exposure / numerous marketing and/or revenue advantages for lower level qualifier playing cl champions
    4. create selection process if more than one qualifier wants match (bid process, draw straws, etc.)
    5. "penalize" the cl champions for not meeting minimum cl entry standards:
    - place them on the lowest rung of the tournament, below qualifiers.
    - must first play "entry" match on the road just to enter cl
    - reduce standard revenue received from cl

    ADVANTAGES:
    1. allows defending cl champion to defend title
    2. empowers smaller clubs w/little chance of advancing in the cl to participate in a match that could benefit their club (financial and otherwise)
    3. removes injustice of fas forced to relegate teams from their domestic league that have met necessary requirements for cl entry
    4. ends any future real madrid-zaragoza controversies
    5. creates a one-off single entry match event that would provide a unique and interesting launch to the cl

    CONCLUSION:
    get off your well fed arses and make it happen uefa. you say you want a "positive" solution. well what better way is there to let the champions defend...without screwing a deserved team...while rewarding a noble team for participating in the solution...while uefa makes a few extra million by creating a viable ppv match? if none of the qualifying clubs participate, the champs go to the uefa cup.

    simple.
     
  18. Wog Vader

    Wog Vader Member

    Sep 30, 2004
    Miami Beach


    Yes, alcohol does kill brain cells.

    Couldn't even spell your handle correctly. Here, I'll help...

    BohemIAnrhapsody
     
  19. Crapids fan

    Crapids fan New Member

    May 27, 2005
    Thornton CO
    All of this is a farce! Every solution I've heard ( at least the one's where Liverpool get to defend) all entail England getting 5 places, which is against the rules. If UEFA allows a fifth place for liverpool then Zaragozza should sue them to be allowed in also, or to get the $25 million they lost by being forced out.
     
  20. wrenmj

    wrenmj New Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Texas
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    forget 4 spots from this country and x spots from that country. the champion is the champion and their flag is the uefa banner. god knows uefa is arrogant enough to view themselves as a soveriegn nation!
     
  21. Crapids fan

    Crapids fan New Member

    May 27, 2005
    Thornton CO
    Tell it to the FA, their the ones that shafted Liverpool, they could have dropped Everton.
    Not that that would have been a whole lot better
     
  22. KopThat!

    KopThat! Red Card

    Aug 16, 2004
    Isle of Wight, UK
    Good point. Liverpool can be declared as 'UEFA's Champions', not affiliated to any country in this special case. The same as any future CL winner should be seen as.
     
  23. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia

    The FA didn't shaft Liverpool. The FA just decided that their top 4 teams will be the nations qualifiers. Liverpool are the champions of UEFA, and if UEFA want their Champions in they should ensure it happens. If Liverpool was from any other country (apart from Spain and Italy) they would already be qualified for the group phase without other teams from that country missing out altogether.
     
  24. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Someone needs to amend the title of this thread.

    What with it proving as wrong as it was always going to prove and all that ....
     
  25. domingo

    domingo Member

    Jun 26, 2002
    Hanover
    Club:
    FC Hansa Rostock
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    This decision is a joke!
    Everton, ManU,Arsenal and Chelsea will have to share the money.... and changing rules now is disgraceful.
     

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