Bundesliga 2023/24 - Wolfsburg or Bayern? - It's the same question as the years before

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by Lohmann, Aug 9, 2023.

  1. Weltmann

    Weltmann Member

    Sep 9, 2012
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  2. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC

    Bayern really wasted 12 months of Sehitler's young career, so she could help the 2nd team avoid relegation, whilst being a training dummy for the 1st team...
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    I really hope both Sehitler. and Kett, will be allowed to go on full season loans to 1.Bundesliga clubs that could help them restart their professional careers...:cautious:

    It constantly frustrating seeing Alber, and Bender, both impress for their 1.Bundesliga teams, knowing Sehitler. and Kett, meant to be just as highly rated youth prospects.

    Seriously Bayern... let them play, or let them leave.
     
  3. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Looking at the clubs with the biggest weakness within the positions attacking talent like Sehitler. and Kett shine most. I'd hope to see Freiburg, or Leipzig, become the next destinations for Bayern's two star junior wnt talents to finally gain access to regular match time.

    Freiburg and Leipzig both teams lacking genuine wide threat, probably making them the best destination for a a quick direct winger like Kett. With Freiburg needing another goal threat/creative force, potentially making them a great home for Sehitler to finally start her 1.Bundesliga career.

    So I just hope they've not been completely brainwashed like Lohmann, and actually recognise how Bayern would be willing to throw them away in a literal heartbeat, the very moment either one deemed redundant.to the goals of the current leadership...:cautious:
     
  4. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Viktoria Schwalm was always a player who impressed me when Potsdam last in the 1.Bundesliga, so I'm not surprised to see her being the one to score both goals helping Potsdam seal promotion back to the nations top division. (Her second goal...:thumbsup:)

    But with Mühlhaus a 21yo former junior wnt player being 2.Bundesliga's top scorer, but for a Hamburger SV side unable to finish with a promotion place, it has me also wonder if she'll still end up being in 1.Bundesliga next season, with a summer transfer taking her to a new home...:coffee:
     
  5. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Stroot, Wilms, Roord, Kalma, Dijkstra, all having origins with Twente, the fact Wolfsburg would also sign a woefully underwhelming Joelle Smits from PSV (she started her pro career with Twente too lol), might speak to Kellermann's general recruitment policy from this league just being overall horrible...:cautious:

    As really good players from the Eredivisie seem to going everywhere but Wolfsburg. I honestly believe this a sign of Wolfsburg probably needing help when it comes to recruiting players from this league, or a sign they should turn their focus to the talents within other leagues.
     
  6. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    2.Bundesliga
    Mönchengladbach - Andernach 4:3
    Ingolstadt - Potsdam 1:2

    Meppen - Wolfsburg 5:1

    Jena - Hoffenheim II 2:0

    Sand - Weinberg 5:4

    Bayern II - Frankfurt II 4:0
    Hamburger SV - Gütersloh 4:1

    1. Potsdam 55 37-18
    2.Jena 54 58-28
    3.Meppen 53 46-14
    4.Hamburger SV 50 58-33
    5.Andernach 46 42-32
    6.Sand 43 45-32
    7.Gütersloh 42 46-39
    8.Frankfurt II 37 33-35
    9.Mönchengladbach 31 31-38
    10.Ingolstadt 27 26-43
    11.Bayern II 23 33-42
    12.Weinberg 20 31-62
    13.Wolfsburg II 16 20-60
    14.Hoffenheim II 12 19-49
     
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  7. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Very happy for Potsdam, I hope they can find a way to stay up this time but they need at least 5-6 new players.

    What a choke by Meppen...
     
  8. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC


    LOL Meißner and Minge.. really...:unsure: Minge's form in particular would absolutely nose dive once she moved into a CB role mid way through the season, seeing it make even less sense for this list not contain any Bayern representation in one of the CB roles.

    In the data we'd also see Senß ending the season as the leagues #1 DM, but it appears she's been left out of this team so Dunst can be added. (Kowalski was significantly better than Dunst as an AM too...:whistling:)

    Plus even though she'd have an excellent start to the season, there's no way KLV should be in the seasons best attack, when Endemann, Bühl, and Anyomi, have all been blatantly more consistent, producing superior. individual records.

    Oh... and wow. Seeing Harder's PR go into full effect at the end of the season, it's unsurprising here seeing it result in Popp's impressive season being erased lol..:rolleyes: Popp not even being used as a forward most of the season, still producing better offensive numbers than Harder this season.
     
  9. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    For the first time since 1997 we have a Women's Supercup (Google Pixel Supercup) between Bundesliga winner and DFB-Pokal winner. Bayern and Wolfsburg will play on 25th August in Dresden.
     
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  10. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    It's a cool improvement I guess but I was never a fan of the Supercup concept.
     
  11. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Hmmmm, not sure the reintroduction of a Supercup actually needed for the best 1.Bundesliga teams right now...:unsure:; but if a positive can come from this, maybe it's helping make sure German teams needing to qualify for the UWCL, actually treat their pre season more seriously now...?

    As the noticeable substandard physical condition of Wolfsburg's players during their underwhelming UWCL qualification efforts last season, should honestly NEVER be an acceptable reality for the coming season.

    But maybe the thought of potentially being humiliated by Bayern on a major stage, might force Wolfsburg's coaches (and players) to actually train to be fully prepared for a series of tough early season contests...:cautious:
     
  13. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #2463 hotjam2, May 30, 2024
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    so it looks like this Meisner was the mainstay of Essen’s defense instead of your picks of Puck, Pilijic & Ostermeier, lol, and yet that syllabi 9-0 & 6-0 losses to WOB?

    and noticing that the five picks on top are foreign mercs….same over here as all over an sudden the NWSL beenbi
    I noticed the top half/offensive side are all taking up by foreigners. Well nothing new here, it’s even the same now at the NWSL where, em dang foreign mercs make up 4 of the 5 current top goal scorers. Just hate to see this trend continuing as a club looses its own home country identity.

    and interesting enough 3 of the 6 Germans aren’t even part of the current NT with an 4th(Minge) just on the fringe
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    I just read somewhere that school soccer is beginning to emerge finally in Europe—-Is that the case in Germany? Over in the US it’s starts at mid school & goes all the way to collegr . It’s not the best type of soccer—-most elite players will play for an organized, soccer only club as well. But at the other hand, school soccer has made an popular participation sport(something that feels missing in Europe)
     
  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #2464 Batfink, May 30, 2024
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    Linder didn't have a great individual season for Hoffenheim, not helped by Lerch making lots of weird decisions all season; such as randomly removing his best players from the starting 11, or substituting them out of the games early on multiple occasions too.

    Making it feel like this best of the season team mainly selected on the idea it include names from a wider selection of teams, as Linder being selected over FB's like Gwinn, L.Ostermeier, or Gerhardt, doesn't make any sense if we're using the actual form displayed by these players this season...:cautious:

    And yes, Meißner did have a very good season for Essen. But do you intentionally ignore everyone who's highlighted as a genuine talent from this team, just to continue pushing your unnecessary agenda against the clubs professional status...?

    I mean... I don't know why anyone would use heavy defeats Vs Wolfsburg as a way to dismiss Essen's defensive players individual quality...:confused:, when this a team who's direct open style of play, still saw them end the season with a defensive record only a goal worse than 3rd place Frankfurt.

    This only works if you agree with the thoughts of Harder, Dunst, and KLV, genuinely having better seasons than a host of rival forwards who've managed to produce equal or significantly better performances...:cautious:

    Pajor, and Stanway, the only names here that justify their inclusion. You could EASILY remove Harder, Dunst, KLV from the offense, and select far more deserving domestic names to replace them.

    I mean, due to her early season struggles with weight/fitness, I don't even think Oberdorf should be part of the mid-field lol. But you replace 3 of the 5 names here, and you get...
    ----- Stanway ----- Kowalski ------
    Popp --------- Pajor ---------- Bühl
    All three of these highlighted names having produced FAR better seasons than Dunst, Harder, KLV.

    Like I said earlier... this best 11 looks heavily manipulated to try and include more reps from a more varied spread of teams.

    But what's funny to me, is seeing them select a defence filled with 100% domestic players, while the offense absolutely none lol...o_O:confused:; surely this is backwards, no..?

    Lührßen and Mahmutovic the only names who would appear to be selected on merit. The fact not one of Bühl, Popp, Kowalski, Anyomi, Fudalla, Schüller, Endemann, have a place on this list is hilarious.

    Oh... and this with both CB's 100% more likely to be foreign names if we're selecting this on actual form this season too...:whistling:
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #2465 Batfink, May 30, 2024
    Last edited: May 30, 2024
    I'm not exactly sure what you mean here....:unsure: Are you talking about junior wnt level female talent playing for their local high school teams...?

    If this the case, then hell no...:giggle: If you've ever looked at the clubs most of Germany's u17's will play for, and it's consistently been nothing but a long list of them featuring on established boys teams.

    But I think Japan might be best example of what highly organised high school soccer can look like, with their annual national tournament being hugely popular event, and a origin for many elite talents too.
     
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  16. luka74

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    Melbourne CIty, St Pauli, VFL Wolfsburg Frauen, Chelsea WSL
    Australia
    Nov 13, 2017
    Melbourne
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Only just saw this post @hotjam2 I went to the match, it was a very strong turnout. Personally I was cheering for the All stars but many were cheering for both, and just enjoying a celebration of the women's game in general. I had to think to myself that even 5 years earlier this scene would be very unlikely. And most of the interest in both the matildas and club football was initially generated by how succsessful Sam Kerr has been, and peoples interest in that transffering to the wider game. And sadly there has been a backlash against the growing popularity, mostly from men of a certain type, but also older boomer types who still see football as foreign game...but the girls are helping overcome this bit by bit.
    The birds you saw are seagulls, they come for the potato fries but stay to watch some football also
     
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  17. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    After relegation from 1.Bundesliga MSV Duisburg will not play in 2.Bundesliga!


    After their men's team was relegated from 3.Liga they don't have enough money. It's not known yet who will play for them in 2.Bundesliga (Weinberg should be the most likely replacement).
    Jena also need money until Thursday to play in 1.Bundesliga.
     
  18. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Doesn't Turbine Potsdam also need money to play in the 1. Bundesliga? They started a crowdfunding campaign a few months ago.
     
  19. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  20. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    They only managed to collect about 53 000€ last time I checked.
     
  21. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes, they want 250000€ but I don't think they need it to play next season in 1.Bundesliga. They want to renew their structures.
     
  22. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    How much would they even need? They "sold" 4 players already.
     
  23. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  24. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Mahmutovic finally moves to Bayern... and now we'll get to see how long it takes before she forces her way past Grohs to become their new #1...:whistling:

    Personally speaking, Grohs always appearing a solid presence in Bayern goal, but never looking like a great presence in goal. I know some Bayern fans will want to believe she's been nothing but fantastic, but compared to Mahmutovic...
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  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    So neither of the two promoted teams can actually financially justify their presence in the nations top division...
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