What Changes Should Be Made to Salary Budgets?

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by Paul Berry, Apr 5, 2024.

  1. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The NBA has had this for decades. It's called "Bird rights" and it allows teams to go over the cap to retain their own players.

    Rule made so Boston could keep Larry Bird. Length of time with team impacts how high you can go. 3 years is full Bird rights (you can offer them max contracts).

    Signing as a FA resets the Bird rights click. While getting a player in trade does not.
     
  2. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think changes are coming. Loosening the reigns a bit. But I would not expect anything drastic. Slow & steady is working pretty well.

    A 4th DP. More U22 slots, perhaps the additional one has to be donestic. A slot for a Bird/Icon guy who is a DP in all but name. Raising the Senior & Reserve min salaries. A rise in the overall salary budget.
     
  3. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    What MLS needs is to change Commissioner and any other person that's being in place for 25+ years. MLS needs fresh ideas and a different vision to really move the league forward. That slow but steady pace served its purpose already. Make that quote of "league of choice" really mean it not just say it for the sake of saying it.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The owners have the ability to fire Garber. They're largely going to measure him on the performance of their investments.

    Forbes Valuations 2013- 2019 - 2024
    Atlanta United: $n/a - $500M - $900M
    LA Galaxy: $170M - $480M - $950M
    Los Angeles FC: $n/a - $475M - $1.2B
    Seattle Sounders: $175M - $405M - $785M
    Toronto FC: $121M - $395M - $725M
     
    superdave repped this.
  5. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Exactly my point! It needs new ideas that involve the sporting side rather than just concentrating on how much money owners are making and how much valuable those teams are. Making the product and overall league more competitive isn't going to hurt their valuations.
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed but the owners aren't going to fire Garber while their fortunes are growing.

    The goal should be to take liquidize some of those assets and invest it in the teams. However I don't think it's good to have year on year operating deficits.

    As for the convoluted rules I think the Players Association is just as much to blame. Put a bunch of accountants and lawyers, some of whom probably work with other sports, and have them negotiating based on their clients' priorities, and you end up with a very complex recipe.

    The league wants steady improvement, the players want higher salaries without losing their jobs. But you don't want to end up with the same group of players getting a 20% raise every year as that doesn't improve the league.

    By the way, as it's a New York City free night I'm watching MLS 360, and this league is a lot of fun.
     
    jaykoz3 repped this.
  7. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Players compete for their job. Nothing is guaranteed for domestic or foreigners. They also have other leagues as options.

    And that's the issue. Even us as fans all we brag about are valuations of billionaires not the sporting side of the league we watch. We, just like the billionaires, have become so accustomed to say "MLS teams are worth this much" as if that helps any on the field where it matters.
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And players want to protect their jobs. And we know that Jeffrey Kessler is sniffing around. So we end up with a compromise. But considering it's a compromise it seems to be doing very well.
     
  9. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Players want to protect their jobs in every other league in the world. Nothing is guaranteed. You either are good enough or not. That's the way sports work...well apparently not in MLS. No wonder we have a lot of troncos.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We also have different labor laws to the rest of the world and different labor laws in sport compared to other industries, which is why the single-entity was necessary in the first place.

    The players' unions in Europe are virtually irrelevant compared to the US, with no collective bargaining, which is sort of ironic. On the other hand I think a free for all would really f**k up the league.

    I think we agree that things need to change, we just disagree on exactly what, how and how long it will take.
     
  11. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well unless every team changes owners..... it's not going to matter who the commissioner is. Afterall.... the commissioner is hired BY THE OWNERS. The commissioner's job is to represent the owners and be their public fave. The owners of the 29, soon to be 30 teams are the ones who make the decisions.
     
    JasonMa repped this.
  12. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    We can have all the labor laws you want that doesn't mean a player can't be let go because he just doesn't cut it or isn't good enough to play in MLS. The quality of any player has nothing to do with US labor laws.
     
  13. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    And here lies the problem. I understand owners want to make money, as much as possible, but they are clueless on the sporting side. They need someone who knows the sporting side and how to move the league forward while at the same time make money and continue the rise of their valuations which matters a lot to them.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But the nature of collective bargaining in American sport does. Unless we want strikes and lawsuits.

    And as you can see, the USL Championship teams that have been competing in the Open Cup are full of players who would have been, or even were, playing in MLS 7 or 8 years ago.

    The standard is continuously improving, crowds are at record levels, as are sponsorship and TV revenue, and owners are seeing their assets boom.

    If this is a Messi inspired bubble and things suddenly go south there will be consequences.

    But the fact that a relatively small percentage of fans are unhappy is not going to propel change. It's not like everyone is rallying around your perfectly valid criticisms.

    The biggest momentum for change seems to be coming from the GMs and potentially from Apple.
     
    JasonMa and jaykoz3 repped this.
  15. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    If a player is bad he gets bought out, loaned out, doesn't get a renewal etc. Bad players aren't guaranteed to stay in a team just because they are part of a player's Union. We see this all the time at season's end in MLS.
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct. But the players union helps determine the make up of rosters.

    The big factor I forgot is that decision making in MLS is split 29/30 ways.

    In most leagues a handful of teams drive the majority of interest and revenue and the rest of the teams tend to follow along.

    60% of the Premier League's revenue is driven by 6 teams and 40% of La Liga revenue is driven by 2 teams.

    No MLS club generates/receives more than 7% of total revenue. In 2023 11/29 clubs combined to generate/receive 50% of revenue.
     
  17. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Exactly. They can't however force a team to get a player or stay with a player that team doesn't want, need and/or wants to replace.

    As for revenue, MLS does revenue sharing. That isn't a problem for MLS. The business side of MLS is top notch. It's the sporting side that needs improvement and new ideas.
     
  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What you're missing (or possibly choosing to ignore) is that the salary cap rules are set up, by an agreement between the league and the union, to make it difficult to cut a player mid-contract. The salary cap and international rules here don't exist in Europe.
     
    superdave and xtomx repped this.
  19. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    or, signed by the Chicago Fire to a multi-year contract!:eek:

    If they are very bad, we send them to Lugano in Switzerland.:thumbsup:
     
    STR1 repped this.
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe it would be illegal for a league or federation to impose a salary cap in the EU.

    In some less lucrative sports the players will agree to salary restrictions but I'm not aware of it happening in soccer leagues, as it's such a huge open market.
     
  21. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Didn't Vermes end the contract of a player mid tournament last year or the year before that just because he felt that player wasn't performing? Don't remember the name of the player but right after a game the player was cut from SKC. It can be done and has been done in MLS and there is nothing the player's Union or US laws can do about it. You don't perform and you will be cut from the team.
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't remember him ending a contract. There may have been a mutual agreement.
     
  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey now, Lugano finished 2nd in the Swiss Super League this season.......

    Just like Real Madrid forced Gareth Bale to take a paycut to be loaned back to Spurs? Or how Barcelona forced Frankie de Jong to go to Manchester United.....
     
    xtomx repped this.
  24. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    "Mutual agreement" is ending a contract. Jose Mauri is the name of the ex-SKC player. Either way, player's Union or US laws can't do anything about it. If an MLS team doesn't want a player they aren't obligated to keep him just because he is part of a union. That's why MLS has a rule that they can buy out a contract (2 now) per year of any players. Buying out contracts just means team is getting rid of a player.



    What does Real Madrid and ManU have to do with MLS player's Union?
     
  25. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You posted that the difference between MLS teams and teams from other parts of the world are that those other teams can simply get rid of players they don't want. If two of the biggest and richest clubs in the world can't get rid of players they don't want...... Stop acting like the majority of clubs/teams outside of MLS can simply buy, sell, sign and cut players however/whenever they see fit.
     
    superdave and JasonMa repped this.

Share This Page