Post-match: Sir Nancelot Raids Swamp Castle - Crew @ Orlando - Match 14 - 5/25/24 7:30 PM

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What will be the result of the Crew's 5/25/24 match vs Orlando?

Poll closed May 25, 2024.
  1. Win by two or more goals

    10.2%
  2. Win by one goal

    20.4%
  3. Canadian Win (née Tie)

    10.2%
  4. Lose by one goal

    6.1%
  5. Lose by two or more goals

    4.1%
  6. Bad Blood - The Crew & Orlando combine for >18 fouls & 3+ yellow cards

    46.9%
  7. "Please do not take the prop." - me

    2.0%
  1. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

    Columbus Crew
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    Sep 28, 2021
    I think it wouldn’t count if it was a tackle but as Bill is suggesting some kind of violent act like punching someone I think the red would be upheld.

    Bottom line why not stop play and have a review vrs continuing and reviewing later which then erases everything that happened if the call is confirmed ?


    While I see the points from both sides, I think for player safety the play should be blown dead. Review it and if it’s not a pk then give a drop ball. If you only use VAR for these important goal scoring scenarios it just makes no sense to continue to play while they are confirming the call. Just my opinion but it’s a very stupid rule which worked in our favor this time.
     
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  2. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
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    He does, best defense in the league, team’s leading goal scorer in all comps.
     
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  3. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

    Columbus Crew
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    Sep 28, 2021
    LZ was great at set pieces but other than that we got younger and better defensively while adding more speed as Rossi is a much different but also a high level attacking player. It was absolutely the right move to sell him. Why are we still talking about this ?
     
  4. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
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    Come on, he's been alive since before then.

    He's our leading scorer in CCC. Last year in the POs he drew the red vs Orlando, scored the tying goal vs Cincy, and drew the PK in the Final.

    Plus, he can run all day and is close to, if not leading the team in minutes played.
     
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  5. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Although Charlotte is better on a per game basis, the fact that we have allowed the fewest goals in the league, whilest juggling lineups for CCC, is really incredible.

    Hats off to Schulte, Camacho, Cheberko, Moreira, Amundsen, Zawadzki, Farsi, Yeboah, Morris, Nagbe, Sands, Arfsten, Jones, Bush, & Hagen.

    The forwards as well.
     
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  6. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
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    "I'm just not going to wear a hat anymore, ok?"
     
  7. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
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    United States
    Though I am certain we will get passed by more teams during this next week, here is the schedule for teams ahead of us on PPG until we play our next match:

    1) Cincy: Nashville
    2) Miami: Atlanta, St. Louis
    3) RSL: at Seattle, Austin
    4) Minny: at LAFC, SKC, FCD
    5) NYC FC: San Jose
    6) LAFC (tied): Minny, FCD

    First games back for us are NYC away and Miami at home. We will have +1 days rest on Miami.
     
  8. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

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    Sep 28, 2021
    #133 TRUJDUB21, May 26, 2024
    Last edited: May 26, 2024
    We play At Miami

    after the Cup Final we rest then it’s a interesting 3 game stretch:

    14 @NYCFC (who play @LAG 19th)
    19 @ Miami (10 days off after us, At Philly 15th)
    22 home vrs SKC (similar schedule to us)

    I think we go all in for the win at Miami and I think we beat SKC regardless. The line up vrs NY will be interesting but it’s also a important match up. The difference in the standings could go up or down a lot making this a critical stretch. Ppl will be bringing their best to beat us. Miami the only one who really has a advantage because they will go all guns blazing for us . Nothing would be better than beating them and hear Messi praise us out of respect.
     
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  9. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
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    Thanks for the Miami correction.
     
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  10. coachchris

    coachchris Member

    Feb 19, 2007
    Galloway, OH
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    Because they’re trying to maintain the flow of the game? No call was made on the play to stop play, the VAR is secondary, and has time to verify the call before stopping play. It is an imperfect system, but better than we had, before. I wish they would go through after games and be able to apply red and yellow cards for simulation discovered that way.
     
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  11. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    #136 Bill Archer, May 26, 2024
    Last edited: May 26, 2024
    If you listen to those videos they do of the VAR booth and the comms with the ref, I don't believe that I've ever heard them say a thing to the center while play is ongoing.

    They chat about whatever it is amongst themselves - it's sometimes chaotic with everyone talking at once - but again, the center is not live.

    Then when the ball goes into touch or there's a foul called and they need a restart, the booth turns on the centers ears and they tell him "delay, delay, delay". That's when they tell him what's up and he decides whether he wants to look at it .(I understand that he can waive them.off and signal for the restart if he thinks he saw it all just fine.)

    I'm sure that next Friday PRO will post a video of the interaction on that play and I'll bet you a case of Kyle's finest that nobody said boo to him until he blew for the PK at the other end.

    The only question is why he didn't he see it in the first place.
     
  12. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
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    Because if they did what you ask for, there would be a dozen VAR stoppages in every match.

    The whole point of waiting is that if the call on the field stands, which is the case far more often than not, the subsequent play is not affected.
     
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  13. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    If they did what WHO asked for?
     
  14. Paul171121

    Paul171121 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 14, 2018
    I've seen an EPL game where they have stopped play to go to the monitor. It might have been the team that suffered the wrong call was just playing around with it at the back waiting for VAR
     
  15. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
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    The... guy... whose post... I'm quoting?
     
  16. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    Excuse me but I don't see a quote box anywhere in your post. I looked twice.

    I'm just asking
     
  17. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

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    Sep 28, 2021
    Not if you use VAR on goals and fouls that are in the box (potential pk) for scoring opportunities

    they definitely would not need to blow the play dead all the time. They just absolutely take far too long to make calls and it’s dumb to play for minutes and then it doesn’t even count and have to add extra time later. It may be better than before but it is still not a very good system.
     
  18. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
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    Might be someone you have on ignore.
     
  19. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
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    Yes, for goals and fouls that are in the box. That's what it's for.
     
  20. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

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    Sep 28, 2021
    Which is what I said it doesn’t happen all the time and in my opinion stopping play quicker instead of playing pointless minutes where players risk injury and waste energy. If VAR is certain just stop it no need to ask the center ref to take a look. Make him look at it. Not sure what the longest example is but 1 minute or 5 minutes it’s entirely too long to play only for it to not even count. Orlando never gets fouled to earn a pk which didn’t count if you simply blow the whistle. No matter how you do it it’s imperfect so it’s a matter of preference.
     
  21. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
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    United States
    But the thing is... this one wasn't an absolute no-brainer. Yes, Morris definitely got grabbed, but there WAS an argument to be made that he oversold it. Which means the referee overruling wasn't a certainty. And when that's the case, you don't want to stop play prematurely.

    I'm not saying don't EVER do it. I'm saying it should be few and far between. And let's be real -- it's not very often that the ball stays in play for minutes at a time without SOME kind of stoppage, so situations like the one you describe don't happen that often.
     
  22. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Ah. Thank you. Yes, that's likely the issue
     
  23. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Sep 28, 2021
    It shouldn’t be up to the center ref, this is part of the problem. Some asshole center ref should not say I’m not looking at it and end up being dead wrong. But as soon as they see a opportunity they deem should be reviewed just enforce it and have him blow the whistle. You then do a drop ball and resume play if it’s not a pk. To me that’s better than potential injury, wasted energy and we never see a situation like Orlando who definitely would have otherwise (if it was not ruled a foul on Morris) got a PK.

    I personally don’t see any benefit for the current structure.
     
  24. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

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    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
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    The guy is such a good coach, but I have a different, off-topic question.

    Did anyone catch the shoes Nancy was wearing last night? The whole look is something I'd love to put together for the office (but I would not be anywhere as cool as Wlifried Nancy), but they shoes he was wearing looked great.
     
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  25. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

    Columbus Crew
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    Sep 28, 2021
    Im sure someone can find a picture I’m guessing they were causal to match what he was wearing
     

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