Review: FA - FO - the 2024 Front Office, etc. Thread.

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  1. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    I am sure its never going to happen, which will drive out the long standing English owners of perenial League 1 & Championship clubs. I don't think the lack of any cost controls will be good for the clubs in England's lower divisions or many of the teams outside the elite clubs in Italy, France, Spain and Germany. I think your next tier of leagues are all but eliminated from ever winning European trophies. UECL was made for them, but I think its going to be big ask for Brugge to overcome Fiorentina and while Olympiakos can hold off Villa, but I don't see them beating Fiorentina.

    Over the last 10 ys, 22 European finals (UECL/UEL/UCL) there have been 5 (4 UEL/1 UECL) finalists from outside the top 5 leagues. In the prior 10 years there were 9 finalists outside the big 5 in 20 finals (UEL/UCL) and 5 of them won. Porto is already 20 ys removed from the last time Jose Morhino played attacking soccer, plus Porto, Shaktar, Zenit and CSKA wining the Europa League.

    I think you'll see a very high percentage of foreign ownership among Premier league and Championship clubs because there's so much money in EPL and Championship teams will be the shortest path into the EPL. Looking at Wrexham going with back to back promotions, the price of poker is going up and it really starts getting steep getting closer to the Championship. Germany with their 50% +1 model of ownership is really the only hope of smaller, traditional club owners among the Big 5 leagues.
     
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  2. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    I am sure its never going to happen, which will drive out the long standing English owners of perenial League 1 & Championship clubs. I don't think the lack of any cost controls will be good for the clubs in England's lower divisions or many of the teams outside the elite clubs in Italy, France, Spain and Germany. I think your next tier of leagues are all but eliminated from ever winning European trophies even with the UECL being made for them, but I think its going to be big ask for Brugge to overcome Fiorentina and while Olympiakos can hold off Villa, but I don't see them beating Fiorentina this year.

    Over the last 10 ys, 22 European finals (UECL/UEL/UCL) there have been 5 (4 UEL/1 UECL) finalists from outside the top 5 leagues. In the prior 10 years there were 9 finalists outside the big 5 in 20 finals (UEL/UCL) and 5 of them won. Porto is already 20 ys removed from the last time Jose Morhino played attacking soccer, plus Porto, Shaktar, Zenit and CSKA wining the Europa League.

    I think you'll see a very high percentage of foreign ownership among Premier league and Championship clubs because there's so much money in EPL and Championship teams will be the shortest path into the EPL. Looking at Wrexham going with back to back promotions, the price of poker is going up and it really starts getting steep in the Championship. Germany with their 50% +1 model of ownership is really the only hope of smaller, traditional club owners among the Big 5 leagues.
     
  3. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    The "Call it what you want" podcast had an interview with Griffin Yow. Worth the listen. He is not complimentary of the DCU coaching staffs when he was here.
     
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  4. John L

    John L Member+

    Sep 20, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
    boy, the mods sure must think the sun shines out of your &@% to have duplicate posts
     
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  5. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Some of us have pull around here..............;):D
     
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  6. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    When was he here again?
     
  7. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The last time we were goo................................never mind my bad. :D
     
  8. DCU

    DCU Member+

    Feb 15, 1999
    Bay Area, CA
    He also acknowledges that he needed to mature. It sounds like Westerlo really confronted him with his behavior and gave him the choice to change. He responded. No one at DC bothered to get as involved in his development, which is indicative of the mediocrity we've observed.

    This quote stood out to me:

    “If I want this as much as I know that I want it, I wanna be at the highest level. My goal is to play in the Champions League. My goal is to be on that World Cup roster.
    If I wanna do all of these things, then something needs to change. I can't keep pointing fingers at, oh, these guys didn't give me a chance and this wasn't fair and this, that and the other. It has to come from within at some point.
    I need to start really changing what I'm doing. And I give credit to Westerlo because they kind of put it one inch from my face where it was really clear, where it was like I had nowhere else to turn. I have to look at myself and say, okay, what can I do differently?”

    From Call It What You Want: A CBS Sports Golazo Network Podcast: Copa America: USMNT roster locks & open spots | Griffin Yow talks Westerlo & Olympics | Earnie Stewart's got moves (Soccer 5/6), May 6, 2024
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...en-spots-griffin/id1614458454?i=1000654722428
     
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  9. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    His professional development was in the sure hands of Chad Ashton - what could have gone wrong?
     
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  10. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Its not the first time that sentiment has come from Griffin in regard to his renaissance at Westerlo this season.
     
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  11. superdave

    superdave BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a practical matter I think it would be easy to make it legal.

    Step one is to dramatically increase the socialization of revenues. Step two would be to set a limit on how much revenue can go to salaries. The latter is obviously legal.
     
  12. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Not sure the European Court would take that view.
     
  13. Section 107

    Section 107 Member+

    DCU
    United States
    Jul 18, 2018
    Not so sure about that. F1 does it and there has been no complaint.

    Why would the EU courts care if various entities voluntarily agree to contractual terms? It is not wage-fixing.
     
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  14. superdave

    superdave BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah…Step One is just changing numbers around. It’s not about creating something new. And the second thing is already legal. Unless someone tells me how I’m wrong, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
     
  15. usadcu

    usadcu Member

    Aug 25, 2005
    Alexandria, VA
    Here is some data regarding the roster and salary for 2024. Just to put it out there for reference. DCU roster may 2024.png
    DCU salaries 2024.png
     
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  16. superdave

    superdave BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our two highest paid players are good.

    Oir 3rd highest paid player is Rodriguez.

    #4 is Dajome

    Then comes Herrera. Terrific player.

    Then it’s Birnbaum.

    Then Peltola. Good player.

    the next 3 are Pirani, Canouse, and Jeahze.

    IOW, after our top 2 players, 6 of the next 8 slots are injured or bad. That’s a ton of wasted resources. It’s almost impossible to compete when a majority of the 10 highest paid players on your cap aren’t very good.
     
  17. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    The Formula 1 (F1) cost cap is the total amount of money a team can spend on car development and research for the next year. The cost cap includes all parts of the car, including the steering wheel and wheel nuts, as well as all elements needed to run the car, such as garage equipment, spare parts, and transportation costs. The cost cap also includes most team personnel salaries, but does not include driver salaries, the wages of the three highest-paid staff members, travel costs, marketing spend, property and legal costs, entry and license fees, or any non-F1 or road car activities.

    The EU has a problem with how a salary cap limits what can be spent on "employee" salary. F1 doesn't include the driver salary in their cost cap. For pretty much everyone else on an F1 team, they can spend pretty much in an "unlimited" amount to get/reward the best in their fields. F1 engineers are probably making as much money or more than any engineer working in Paris or Rome, same with mechanics, project managers, tire changers, etc. that a team might employ. Although somehow I suspect the best don't do quite as well because they're working the "dream job", but they could.

    Now the rugby leagues have salary caps and I know nothing about how those work.
     
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  18. Section 107

    Section 107 Member+

    DCU
    United States
    Jul 18, 2018
  19. QuietSide

    QuietSide Member

    Oct 18, 2002
    https://sbisoccer.com/2024/05/sourc...terest-ahead-of-potential-olympic-involvement

    "Yow is also garnering interest from England, as well as in MLS, a source close to the player confirmed. The 21-year-old attacker is eligible to occupy a U22 roster spot, should he decide to move back to MLS."

    I can't imagine he'd be interested in coming back to us, but who knows. Anyone know if we get some MLS bucks if he goes to someone else in the league?
     
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  20. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    I don't no where else to drop this, but NY Times reporting that Rooney will be named manager of Plymouth Argyle tomorrow. May God have mercy on their souls.
     
  21. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    This. And with the exception of signing Pirani, each of these decisions are not at Ally's feet. I would say we are over performing given the dumpster fire the old front office caused. Hopefully by December the house will be cleaned.
     
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  22. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    I guess that is one way to become the next Wrexham...
     
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  23. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We won't Jeahaze to kick around anymore now.
    Birnbaum is at least back in the rotation and is seemingly a solid captain/leader.
    We signed someone who will hopefully replace Dajome at LB. Canouse is on the injured list (which I think frees up some cash). Things are already moving in the right direction. A lot of mistakes to fix... they are working on it.
    Getting rid of Rodriguez will also hopefully somehow happen this summer... but I doubt it.
     
  24. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on the interview I heard on PitchPass (I think), he does not seem like he wants to come to DC United, even if the leadership has changed quite a bit since he left.
     
  25. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Yow not coming to DC is a positive for me. I watched him with the youth US teams and didn't see a guy that was going to be great. His speed of thought was very slow even against same age group players. Maybe the Belgians gave him the right kick in the ass to improve but I think there must be better options for DC than a potential project player - we already have Pirani...
     
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