The On-going Never-ending Brexit Story Part Four

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  1. The Irish Rover

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    Gove quitting is conclusive proof of that IMO. Very clever, unusually articulate and a congenital plotter who lives for the hunt, he's the last man to quit if there was any point in being reelected. I mean, "what's the point of living if you can't knife someone in the back old boy""

    Which is why him stepping down came as such a shock. His seat is safe enough even now, but he saw Rishi, ahem, "Sunaking in the rain" on Wednesday, followed by the first two cluster******** days of campaigning and realized the scale of the hammering that's coming.

    He's not alone. From ITV's Robert Peston:
    Senior Tories expect a significant number of further MP resignations over the weekend, in the wake of Gove’s and Leadsom’s decisions not to fight the election. Quite a number who have been re-approved as candidates have been in two minds, and thought they had till the autumn to decide. The party has more than 150 seats and rising with no candidate. That is a lot of candidates for CCHQ to find before 7 June and a lot of wasted campaigning days. It does rather indicate Sunak called the election before his party was ready​
     
  2. The Irish Rover

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    The recent local elections being a case in point. If he'd called a snap election in March, a lot of standing-down MPs in a constituency where it's too late to call a selection convention could have been replaced by a locally well-known councillor to at least "fly the flag" for the party.

    Many of those lost their seats in the recent local elections and are too dispirited to run again when the only reward is a second pasting in two months or just too dispirited, period. Meanwhile, many of those who did survive have nothing left in the tank emotionally or financially.

    He really is bad at politics, isn't he?
     
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  3. lanman

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    You're giving him too much credit here.
     
  4. The Irish Rover

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    Christ, how are we going to keep up with all the new podcasts? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  5. lanman

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  6. superdave

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    Incommunicado? What, Brits don’t have cell phones? I’m legit confused.
     
  7. superdave

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    I remember like 30 years ago I was in a John LeCarre kick. He wrote a non-spy book about IIRC a man whose father was running for parliament. I didn’t finish it because I flat out didn’t understand the context. This thread gives me a clue.
     
  8. The Irish Rover

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    Believe it or not, but people often go on holidays and turn off their phones at least pat of the time.

    Given the situation, I'd be surprised if some of them who hadn't turned theirs off didn't watch the news on CNN, BBC World, etc. see Sunak in the rain and decide to do so.
     
  9. The Irish Rover

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    City's fitness coach picks up a yellow
     
  10. lanman

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    Least surprising news since Reform had to remove a candidate for historical racist tweets.

     
  11. The Irish Rover

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    [​IMG]
     
  12. lanman

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    So this is all they could come up with on the "replanning" day

     
  13. roby

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    The White Cliffs of Dover are receding about 12.2" per year. How soon will Ireland be taking over? :unsure:
     
  14. superdave

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    “No national service without representation!”

    Smart move, targeting people who can’t vote yet.
     
  15. The Irish Rover

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    #4265 The Irish Rover, May 25, 2024
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    National service? A attractive-sounding idea for teaching people skills, which costs money - trainers, barracks, uniforms, food, equipment, managers, support staff, etc. That's lots of money. Which means more borrowing, higher taxes, etc. Suddenly it doesn't look so attractive any more.

    For the building-up-the-army types, there's also the interesting fact that the army, the navy and the air force absolutely hate it and won't be shy about leaking that hatred. Even if they don't, their recently retired colleagues will be all over the airwaves on their behalf.

    Oh, and is he planning to extend it to Northern Ireland?

    He's desperate and making it up as he goes along
     
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  16. lanman

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  17. The Irish Rover

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    Being a bit of an old-line righty, I usually find a trip down memory lane instructive.

    In which spirit, I offer this from the Times' Tim Shipman as he watched the Carabao Cup final back in February:
     
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  18. lanman

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    I posted the Yes, Minister clip somewhat in jest, but it turns out the polling the decision was based on pretty much did exactly what Sir Humphrey said.

     
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  19. lanman

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    More evidence of the great plan.

     
  20. lanman

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    He's trying to lose. There can be no other reason for all of this.

     
  21. lanman

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    Given that Farage is not currently an elected politician, is not standing in the upcoming election and has clearly indicated his focus is on Trump, why is he still being given a platform to be overtly racist?

     
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  22. roby

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    What are British values? :confused:
     
  23. superdave

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    Or at least spend like five minutes practicing in the morning so you don’t look like a complete goober.

    In American Politics, on occasion, the national media decide a presidential candidate is hopeless or derisory and then reports on his campaign through a bully’s prism. Either Bob Dole or John McCain (pretty sure it was Dole) fell off a stage late in the campaign and so for every journalist, that was a metaphor they could report on rather than the candidate’s tax policy. Same thing happened to Gore 4 years later, and Kerry 4 years after that, and to an extent to McCain in 2008. Haven’t seen the same specific phenomenon since then.

    Anyway, is there the same dynamic at play there? Is that what’s happening to Sunak, or is this how politics is normally covered there?
     
  24. lanman

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    According to the government web site, "the fundamental British values of democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty, and mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs."

    From that, one might easily think it's Farage who is the one diverging.
     
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  25. lanman

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    It's pretty normal for candidates to be filmed doing "normal" things.
    My guess is they've got some polling back that it worked for Johnson, especially when he messed things up, but he was a renowned buffoon (so it was part of the act) rather than someone trying to come across as serious like Sunak.
     

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