England U-17 Discussions Thread #3 (2008 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by england66, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. StortfordSpurs1882

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jun 28, 2023
    first 4 tie breakers are:
    1. Points obtained in all group matches;
    2. Points in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
    3. Goal difference in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
    4. Goals scored in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
     
  2. verde-rubro

    verde-rubro Member+

    C.S.Maritimo + Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jan 15, 2005
    LONDON
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Ok great
    thanks
     
  3. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    On reflection Marcho you're correct. Possession was 55-45% in our favour and 14 attempts to 11 in our favour. Their keeper also make a couple of brilliant saves. Portugal do have some brilliant looking attacking players though. We just need to beat Spain next and we'll go through.
     
  4. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah, I didn’t necessarily think it’s as bad as some have suggested, sure there was some not so good play but they will learn at this level, just like their best play was when keeping the ball tight and not having that urge to hit diagonal or longer balls which hardly ever paid off but keeping possession did so the coach needs to get on top of that for the Spain game.

    Portugal nearly always impress me at this level, just look so comfortable playing with each other and all on the same page and on this occasion they had two top notch wingers who caused us all sorts of problems with their movement plus Mora impressed me also, looks a very good little player.
     
    AJ123 repped this.
  5. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    #8955 horrisengleton, May 25, 2024
    Last edited: May 25, 2024
    The overwhelming majority of that money goes to the already professional athletes though, hardly any of it goes to the grassroots. You still have to produce high level athletes for that money to be impactful and the athletes are being produced through vastly inferior infrastructure.

    Take the US for example. They obviously have a much bigger population but look at the infrastructure they have through their universities and high schools; it's genuinely alien when compared to what we have here.

    You can look at sports like boxing too; there was a time a few years back when the UK had either the most or second most current world champions (can't quite remember) of any country in the world. Obviously that's watered down a bit by the fact every weight class has 4 belts but boxing in this country survives on beans and British politicians have even often suggested kids shouldn't be allowed to compete in it. It gets hardly any money or support from anywhere outside of its small inner circle yet we still manage to have a massive presence in what is a hugely global sport.
     
  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Boxing is struggling all across the west because of the dangers of the sport. It’s increasingly being dominated by fighters from poorer countries who want the money.
     
  7. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Boxing participation in Britain has risen in recent years. It's also massively on the rise in Australia and in particular in France who have received a lot of state backed infrastructure in recent years.

    The country with the best current boxers is still the USA and the country with the best boxing prospects is still the USA. The poorer countries that do well in boxing are mostly countries that have a deep history in the sport.

    The country that has increased its presence in the sport the most is Japan, and that's very much not a poor nation.
     
    itsonlymemate repped this.
  8. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    We’re going a bit off track from the U17’s so apologies but won’t the new independent regulator help with a more clear direction of money from the Premier League making its way down to grass roots football? This is something our pathetic and gutless FA should be on top of but sadly clueless! With the amount of money around even what the FA probably already have, there’s no excuse for poor facilities. Even over here where I live in Sweden the facilities are great compared to England.
     
  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Most of money is going to end up with the EFL clubs than the literal grassroots. EFL clubs want money to build their own facilities and compete but they not going to building playing fields in residential areas. There is not really the organisational set up to lobby for direct grassroots money and I suspect the FA is probably happy enough with how talent is currently being produced to support big changes that could cause issues at the elite level.
     
  10. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Japan has had a strong boxing culture for a long time to be fair but their fighters are generally in the smallest weight classes that get little attention in the west.

    Fireburn is right about poorer countries like Ukraine and Kazakhstan becoming increasingly significant.

    As you say the US still dominates but not as much as it used to.

    The UK had a golden period not long ago but has dropped off recently in the men’s professional rankings. That said we had a strong showing at the last Olympics and in women’s boxing the Ring P4P no 3 and no7 are British.
     
  11. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Well, that’s better than nothing as even many EFL clubs help with their local community if it helps them develop better players for the area and then ultimately for them. Problem is hopefully the money just doesn’t go into the owners pockets and has to be invested into infrastructure etc. Still we need more money and thought going into grassroots football as it’s inexcusable for facilities in England to be poor compared to so many Countries!
     
    roverman repped this.
  12. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Yeah like Fireburn just said a lot will go to the EFL but I think the idea is also to increase grassroots funding even if only slightly.

    Honestly though these things need to be demanded from the government. They've gone way, way too long without seriously investing in local communities. I was listening to a podcast recently about how many top footballers come from Paris and the facilities sound next level; on top of that they're all backed and maintained by the state.

    We don't even get the cheaper stuff over here. I was in Berlin not long ago and couldn't believe how many public, free-to-use outdoor gyms they have there. You hardly ever see those here (at least I haven't).

    Hopefully this changes in the future but it's unlikely the Premier League alone will ever give enough for us to seriously level up our infrastructure.
     
  13. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    But I don't see the significance of this? The Olympics are now mostly a question of money, and it is no coincidence that countries like Hungary, with the same population as Portugal, is doing well, since the state traditionally pours huge amounts of money into professional sports, including some that nobody watches. But other countries have realised that a country's success is not primarily measured by its Olympic medal tally.
     
  14. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Success in sport generally is a question of infrastructure which is paid for with money. The point about Portugal is that more of their best athletes appear to play football than other sports. If rugby didn’t exist and all the rugby players in England had attempted to be footballers instead then I think our national team would be significantly stronger. Ryan Giggs was the son of a rugby player and good enough at rugby to be a professional, for example.
     
  15. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Japan's combat sport culture mostly relates to kickboxing. Their boxing programmes have ramped up massively in recent years and they've never had anything close to the depth of talent they've got now. Their regional scene fights are of such a high quality and they never were, the aspiring Filipino boxers used to often go over there for an easy pay day but get battered nowadays.

    Kazakhstan have improved to a degree, Uzbekistan have certainly ramped up significantly at amateur level but it hasn't translated to the pro game that well as of yet.

    Ukraine on the other hand have a really deep boxing history. I wouldn't say they've necessarily risen to dominance, they just had a freak Olympic team that produced two great fighters and one good fighter, all of the same generation. There's no sign that's part of a deeper structural change that is going to result in the country dominating the sport, moreso that Usyk and to a slightly lesser degree Loma are anomalies.

    The countries that have a big presence at the top of the sport right now are mostly the countries that always have.
     
  16. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Sounds like more awareness and pressure from the public directed at the Government ( maybe a Labour Government with Starmer a football fan better than a Government that doesn’t give a toss ) needs applying. I hardly ever see any articles these days in regard to grassroots sports and how neglected it is but I could be wrong since I don’t reside in England anymore so don’t see everything.
     
  17. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    There was one in the Guardian just a few weeks back actually. I know there's a pretty big campaign to save grassroots football going on but their attention is mostly focused on the PL.
     
  18. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Well that’s good for a start but maybe needs more questions directed at MP’s, like during question time etc and see them squirming about wasting billions on doomed projects etc when that money could have been used for grassroots sports and other areas of need.
     
    horrisengleton repped this.
  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Manchester United are leading the race to sign 17-year-old Port Vale forward Baylee Dipepa, with the England Under-17 international also wanted by Newcastle, West Ham, RB Leipzig, Borussia Dortmund and Aston Villa. (Mail on Sunday)
     
  20. itsonlymemate

    itsonlymemate Member

    Apr 1, 2013
    we'll see what these players are made of tomorrow
     
  21. StortfordSpurs1882

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jun 28, 2023
    Lineup vs Spain

    [​IMG]
     
    itsonlymemate repped this.
  22. itsonlymemate

    itsonlymemate Member

    Apr 1, 2013
    nice to see Rigg dropped out the team. they played much better without him... seems the coaches agreed.
     
  23. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
  24. itsonlymemate

    itsonlymemate Member

    Apr 1, 2013
    what a goal
     
    AJ123 and Gaz811 repped this.
  25. StortfordSpurs1882

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jun 28, 2023
    Lovely finish from Mheuka to put England 1-0 up
     
    Marcho Gamgee repped this.

Share This Page