Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

The mask, the façade, has been coming off in ways that are unmistakable to anyone not already complicit. While, certainly, Palestinian lives should and do matter, the issues relating to "Israel" implicate so much more.

Ilan Pappe is a principled Israeli historian who now teaches in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/21/ilan-pappe-israel-gaza-zionism
I was detained at a US airport and asked about Israel and Gaza for 2 hours. Why?
Ilan Pappé
Border agents asked whether I believe Israel is committing genocide and what I think of popular protest slogans shortly after I landed in Detroit

 

Why? Because you're not a citizen and we have a right to know the motivations of people entering our country.

 

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Amazingly, yes. Anti-semitism is a thing whether a Jewish population supports Israel or not. I've just been analyzing Toronto statistics due to an amazing pronunciation by the Canadian government that "Jews have opted to become white in order to benefit from white supremacy." in their anti-racism curriculum. Yet here is the Toronto police hate crime break down. Note that this data is from before the current conflict.



Source: https://www.tps.ca/media/filer_publ...-9405-8a9ff289b6ed/2022hatecrimereportpdf.pdf

 

My law partner's synagogue had to hire private security because they received threats after October 7. Their only crime, other than being Jewish, was posting a sign calling for the release of the October 7 hostages.

As usual, you're engaging in dissembling and dishonesty.

 

Yeah, if we look back at the motivation for Oct, this would be it.
Hamas doesn't much care if 30,000 or 100,000 are killed in Gaza. the strategy looks pretty clear right now. The Netanyahu reaction was really predictable. From the Hamas perspective, thankfully, he keeps doubling down.
Hamas cannot defeat Israel. but Israel cannot survive, or at least thrive, without the support of their traditional friends.
So, while directly, this is a massive loss for Hamas, they appear quite willing to trade a generation of their own people in exchange for the massive cracks developing between Israel and the west.
Right now, Hamas is not just winning, this is their best case scenario.

 

Consider hate crimes in France with a population of approximately 4 million Muslims and 500 thousand Jews. Both at about the largest in Europe. In 2022, before the Gaza conflict, there were twice as many hate crimes against Jews then against Muslims in spite of having a relatively small and integrated population.



Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/782196/number-of-racist-criminal-acts-by-target-france/

 

In sum, I have yet to find a situation where non-Israeli Jews do not experience way more hate crime than any other minority in a per-capita basis and, often, they are the group that receives more hate crime in total.

 

And beyond that it’s negatively affecting attitudes toward Jews around the world regardless of how they feel about Israel and its actions. Also a win for Hamas.

 

Same, coming back from India in the late 90’s I was detained and questioned for at least an hour, and was frisked and had all my bags thoroughly searched, and they were complete dicks about it the entire time. And I’m a white male, though I was pretty scraggly at that point. I feel fortunate I didn’t get a gloved hand up my ass.

 

I'm sorry that happened to you. My experience is 180 degrees out from that, and I have 3 passports full of stamps from 20+ years of international travel. I was fortunate to use Global Entry after it came out -- I never had to interact with a human again after that.

 

Hamas knows, just as others before learned thanks to our monstrous crimes, that people having their families bombed indiscriminatly creates the next batch of people willing to engage in horrible violence against whatever oppressors they're told are doing the oppression.

 

If in that table with indigenous people the first nation people is ment, that table is a farce.
1 hate crime in 3 years is a blatant lie, so what are the other numbers worth?
It might be even worse, but also the balance could be different.

 

As it is now, this looks like a knee-jerk reaction more than a rebuttal. You can dig in to the source cited and critique it. It's straight from the Toronto police.

 

The piece by Ilan Pappe isn't about only his own experience at the airport but also various other academics prevented from attending conferences elsewhere due to their anti-Israel writings. Nor is everyone here bringing up random airport experiences entering the US comparable to Ilan Pappe being interrogated about his view on what Israel is doing in Gaza, given the questions posed (to a historian who is the author of The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine) suggest he wasn't chosen randomly but based on his stance in his academic writings.

 

@The Devil's Architect
Yeah, the Mounties are known for their "support" for the first nation people

 

Ilan Pappe was also a candidate for the Israeli Communist Party. Neither of these things are crimes in themselves but I don't see why border officials can't interrogate people with certain backgrounds that they deem might be indicate that they are agents of enemy countries.

 

The Toronto police are not part of the RCMP. Seriously, is this your argument? Are you seriously trying to defend the viewpoint that Jews are only attacked if they are Zionists?

 

No.
Looking at that indigenous number, the real number of attacks on Jews might even be worse for that matter.
Canada has a very bad reputation regarding the original people. Politicians, police officers, white Canadian people/citizens act against them in a way Westbank settlers would be proud of.