Porter job watch

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by firstshirt, May 21, 2024.

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How much longer will Porter keep his job?

  1. Gone before the weekend

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. If they lose Saturday he is gone Monday

    3 vote(s)
    10.3%
  3. Revs FO don't care enough, he has job security

    22 vote(s)
    75.9%
  4. He will turn it around after the summer window,. "remain calm, all is well"

    2 vote(s)
    6.9%
  5. Gone at the all star break

    2 vote(s)
    6.9%
  1. tsb11

    tsb11 Member+

    United States
    May 31, 2018
    Note: the revs have the 7th highest wage bill in MLS (29 teams), $2M more than 13th place NYCFC.

    Say what you want about NYC, but the checkbook is open in Foxboro. The ability to spend it wisely on the correct players is the bigger rub (#OnalfoOut)
     
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  2. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #27 Minutemanii, May 23, 2024
    Last edited: May 23, 2024
    Yeah, I was just paraphrasing Porter, so if this is true then the "backed-into-a-corner" defense appears believable.
     
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  3. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I went back and listened again, counting the excuses. For an 8 minute interview, there were a lot:

    Spaulding red card - mentioned 5 separate times
    Injuries
    Changing GKs and CBs (whose fault is that?)
    Bad luck
    Five PKs and 2 RC against, none for
    NYC budget

    He also said the report of players arguing with coaches after the game was completely false. Note: MAK backed that up by commenting on the tweet, something to the effect of "please don't associate my name with false statements".
     
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  4. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your last statement gives me a little hope that they are -in fact- united. It would be way worse and way more untenable if the other way around.
     
  5. rkane1226

    rkane1226 Member+

    Apr 9, 2000
    Club:
    Stade Brestois 29
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Listening to the interview didn’t make me feel any better.

    Travel, Porter, don’t forget travel. One of SN’s favorite excuses. Don’t leave out the oldies but goodies.

    Maybe we should start a list of excuse ideas. I think he’s going to need some more. We should help the guy out.
     
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  6. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I haven't heard "fixture congestion" ... that would fill the bingo card.
     
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  7. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think DaMarcus Beasley said it best in 2002, when someone suggested that the Revs were a better team than their record showed, and they had been the victims of bad luck.

    "Bad luck? Luck ain't got nothing to do with it. They're a last place team for a reason."

    Mind you, this was after the Revs had beaten Chicago 5-1 and were about to go on a roll that would eventually lead to a division title and a place in MLS Cup.
     
  8. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe not in those exact words, but Porter used that excuse pretty regularly during CCC.
     
  9. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the reports of Porter having lost the team were greatly exaggerated.

    They played hard, they fought hard. But they still can't finish, and they still are not on the same page tactically (note the arguing among the defenders after the NYC goal). Even Charlie Davies commented during one play when two Revs attackers ran into the same space, and the player with the ball (I think it was Carles, can't remember for sure) threw up his hands in frustration.

    If they continue on the Wooden Spoon pace, and go 0-2 in Leagues Cup, I can see the team making a move then and using the 3-week break to find a replacement for Porter.
     
  10. tsb11

    tsb11 Member+

    United States
    May 31, 2018
    I feel like Onalfo hasn't even considered firing Porter, and will not begin to compile the pool of available candidates (he won't consider people who already have jobs) until he's created the vacancy
     
  11. VTSoccerFan

    VTSoccerFan Member+

    New England Revolution, Vermont Catamounts, NCFC
    United States
    Jun 28, 2002
    Cary, NC
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whatever they decide on Porter and/or Onalfo, they should allow the person who will be coach and will be implementing the system to choose the players they bring in if they are truly building towards something instead of just hoping that whoever is willing and available can raise the bar.

    “If I’m going to be asked to cook the meal, I’d like to be able to pick the groceries.” <-Bill Parcells and the next Revs coach if they fire Porter and have somebody else bring in new players.
     
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  12. teskicks

    teskicks Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Jan 14, 2002
    Wrentham, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would prefer this thread to be the Onolfo Job Watch
     
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  13. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    When learning a new system, players often have to think too much, rather than just play with instinct. I'm sure there's a lot of that going on.
    I don't think so - it's getting pretty close to a lost season, but I think Porter's %98 guaranteed this season and the start of next.
    And, he shouldn't, IMO. If you take the time to have a coaching search and hire the guy you think is the right one, you have to give him time to work - even if results get worse before getting better.

    The results, in terms of getting points, have been dismal. But, IMO, they really aren't that bad. It's been a combination of a lot of injuries, some bad luck, untimely mistakes and an offense that isn't clicking, thus a very narrow margin for error.

    They've had some really ugly games, no doubt, but I do think they are improving.
     
  14. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Porter is not the only new coach in this league, and many thought that of all of them, Porter inherited the best roster. But these other teams have been able to adapt to the new coach and perform better than the Revs. The Revs have played 13 games, plus 6 more CCC games, together under Porter. The "new system" excuse should be gone by now.
     
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  15. tsb11

    tsb11 Member+

    United States
    May 31, 2018
    Through 13 games the revs are (remarkably) not having the wirst start in league history. But it's getting close. That doesn't happen just by luck/injuries etc... we have a roster full of professional players. 3 months into the season they know the system, it just stinks
     
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  16. brdmaverick1

    brdmaverick1 Member

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Oct 22, 2021
    I do think that these two are POOR excuses.

    I used to think PK disparity was a 'tough luck' kind of stat, but now I believe the complete opposite. The REVS don't have an attack! They don't have playmakers dribbling in the box creating the potential for a 'loose leg' or 'lazy challenge' to draw a red card.

    So the PKs is not bad luck, it's just another sign of how outplayed the REVS have been. The opponents have put themselves in dangerous positions for PKs while the REVS have not.
     
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  17. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    100% agree! If you never have players in the box with the ball, you are never going to earn a PK.
     
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  18. tsb11

    tsb11 Member+

    United States
    May 31, 2018
    Same with red cards. They sometimes happen due to stupidity and bad reffing, but often come from emergency defending in no win situations. That's a tactics thing.

    What's so impressive with Porter is that he has crafted a system that both does not create attacking danger for PKs but also is wide open in the back leading to the defense being constantly undermanned!
     
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  19. abecedarian

    abecedarian Member+

    Mar 25, 2009
    SSSomerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gratuitous prediction: Atlanta loses tonight, and Pineda gets the ax tomorrow.

    Gratuitous interpretation: some owners care about results.
     
  20. Dr. Sneezy

    Dr. Sneezy Member

    Jul 2, 2016
    Well, according to one stat, xG difference per 90 minutes they are historically bad (albeit with a history that only goes back to 2017)

     
  21. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    I agree that Porter and the team should be doing better now, but sometimes things take longer than expected. I don't think management can/should take the attitude that because we haven't gotten the results we would have expected 1/3+ of the way through his first season, that it's a failure that cannot succeed.

    As for the bolded part above, I'm wondering if we underestimate how damaged the mentality of this roster is, after all the &#^$% they've been put through since last August (which includes the devastating injuries of Borrero and Bye).
     
  22. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are 10 games left before Leagues Cup. If they continue on at the half-point per game pace over those 10 games, it's time to clean house (and that includes Richie Williams too).

    Bring in Steve Ralston and hope he can do what Noonan is doing in Cincy.
     
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  23. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They should get rid or Snitchie anyway, regardless of the results. But is he like a tenured professor at a university, where they literally cannot fire him for any reason whatsoever, because he's a whistleblower?

    The Leagues Cup should be a time to take stock. If there are 10 games left, is it too unrealistic to win 5 of them, and at least a couple of draws?
     
  24. rkane1226

    rkane1226 Member+

    Apr 9, 2000
    Club:
    Stade Brestois 29
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn’t bring Snitchie up but since we are on the topic… Has anyone identified a single other person that BA wronged? I still can’t believe the Krafts didn’t (to all outward appearances) fight harder to keep BA. It will be ironic if they either wind up paying a salary to RW for 30 years and/or in court trying to get rid of him. Just rewards for their passive approach to the situation.
     
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  25. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    There was talk that it was Onalfo too.
     

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