Coppa Italia Thread 23/24 [R]

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  1. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
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    Guess I hold my team to a higher standard.
     
  2. gumbacicc

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    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    No, but he's a good one. I get your point. We just disagree on Gasp. I've always admired the brand of football he's been able to play given the fact he manages a minnow with limited resources. It beats the shit we've had to swallow as Juve supporters under Allegri.
     
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  3. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

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    Gasp floundered like a fish at inter. There is a reason why no big teams came knocking Atalanta’s door for him. Mazzarri was the same way. He went to inter and did nothing of note even had more time than Gasp.
     
  4. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    How many games was he given there again?

    That is a bogus argument.

    Funny though he is being linked to yer club. Can't see ADL and Gasp working for very long.
     
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  5. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

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    He isn’t a winner that’s why no big teams went for him. Ok he got let go from inter before the winter break but to have no big team touch him since then ? All this hype around him and he has literally accomplished nothing most of his success at Atalanta is down to low pressure and scouting. He had to say his own definition of “what a winner is” like what kind of loser tries to make his own definition of winning. Look at what Alonso has done in his short career.
     
  6. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    He was there for like three seconds. I don't think it's fair to judge based on that experience alone. Basically everyone that Inter hired during that time was a disaster. It's not until Marotta came in that things turned around and that was well after Gasperini's brief tenure. Now there may be something to your other point about big clubs not coming in after that--but let's see in the event that he does get a bigger job, like the Napoli job with which he has been linked.

    I'm with you on Mazzarri. He's poor and his teams play shit football. He's a poor man's version of Allegri.
     
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  7. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
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    Mazzarri and Gasp were pretty much known for the same thing… taking small sides and getting them to play and punch above their belt with the 3-4-3 formation. Also people forget he completely failed at Palermo as well.
     
  8. juveeer

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    Aug 3, 2006
    Well, Mazzarri's best years were at Napoli. Is that a big club?

    Gasp's overall record is far superior IMHO.

    I hope he does get a tier one or 2 big club job (and yes I consider Napoli one step below the biggest clubs which are Juve, Milan and Inter, and on par with Roma and Lazio in the next tier down) to see what he can do.

    The wild card with Napoli is ADL. How anyone can work for him for long is beyond me. But he does keep that club chugging along ever since it came back up with us after our redic fake calciopoli punishment.
     
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  9. Il Ciuccio

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    Gasp and Mazzarri at this point have pretty much accomplished the same things. Except Mazzarri won a coppa d’Italia.

    there are so many coaches that have been hyped up for bullshit reasons Ventura with his time at Torino, Guidolin at Undinese, Del Neri and so on and so fourth.
     
  10. juveeer

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    Aug 3, 2006
  11. Il Ciuccio

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    Eh I just listed coaches that have accomplished more or less the same. The circle jerk of this guy is getting a bit much.
     
  12. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

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    Never going to hear the end of this guy now. He just had his Ranieri coaching moment.
     
  13. juveeer

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    Aug 3, 2006
    Ha Ha.

    Yup.

    Just the same, LOL. Just schooled the media's next Pep.
     
  14. juveeer

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    Aug 3, 2006
    That is yer story and you are sticking to it. Facts be damned!
     
  15. Il Ciuccio

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    I dont really give a damn about Gasp. What people should be paying attention to is Atalanta's management. Every single italian team should look at what they are doing and take notes.

    They created a great scouting network, youth development in the area, and some how manged to push through Italian bureaucracy to get a new modern stadium built.
     
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  16. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
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    LOL. I still don't get the Gasperini hate. You'll like he when he takes over Napoli.
     
  17. gumbacicc

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    Dec 7, 2004
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    That's all true about the management of the club, but you still need the right guy to steer the ship.
     
  18. Il Ciuccio

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    He was able to do so because their only goal is to develop players to sell for big money and avoid going down to serie B. Everything else is the cherry on top of the cake.

    can you image him at a team where he is told look we expect a first place finish and a deep CL run ?
     
  19. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    To your point:. Though over the last couple of years they re starting to buy some players too.

    https://football-italia.net/atalanta-market-value-wage-bill-uel-spending/
     
  20. gumbacicc

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    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    I actually can. I think his style of play would work very well for a club with greater financial resources and more talented players than Atalanta. Give him a break. He just won the EL with a team that was hardly a favorite.
     
  21. Il Ciuccio

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  22. Il Ciuccio

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    Well why didn’t Juve offer him a contract?
     
  23. gumbacicc

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    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    I'm not sure. Not sure why he hasn't gotten calls even before this season. I'm sure he will now and then we can revisit this debate after he truly had time with a big club.
     
  24. Il Ciuccio

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    Or maybe they know he would more than likely fail at a bigger club. I mean there have been other coaches with much less of a pedigree that have been given chances Sarri comes to mind.
     

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