Soccer, Sports and Politics - Part Deux

Wait, what? are you saying that 1) you don't live in SoCal now (I knew that), or that 2) mainstream American values are passe in your world (I knew that in some cases), or that 3) my references are always from an earlier decade (In this case, it's actually the 70s. The 80s was pretty bad by comparison, saved really by U2 and the Police)? I'm thinking it's 3) but not sure.

 

The 80s gave us both this song, and also all the music that it’s making fun of. Winning!

 

But nobody ever said "Let's do lunch" to a nitro-burning funny car.

 

The best music decade is automatically the first one that a person is old enough to experience fully. And then, roughly speaking, each subsequent decade is slightly less good. The only way a person can argue that the Air Supply decade was better than the decade that brought MTV is if they were born in the 1960s/late-50s.

 

Bill Haley and the Comets!

 

The Platters were into Pop & R/B in the 50's. So was I!

 

Make it a reality show!! Mancity’s 3rd keeper.

The kind of dream job everyone wanted 🤧🤲🏽

— Shariff $ (@shariffshattima) May 24, 2024

 

I once read a long essay about Elvis Costello and one of its points was that Costello was part of the first musical generation where producing the best music didn’t make you a big star. He felt cheated out of the wealth of…well, the Beatles were way out there, but couldn’t he be like the Who? And that’s why he was an angry young man. The mid 70s IMO is when good rock and roll and best selling rock and roll became a lot less correlated.

I reject the whole idea of “best musical decade.” There’s always great music (and shitty music) being made. You just have to look for it. There are brief bursts of creativity when an artist or scene does something innovative, but that’s just the weather. Good and bad music is like the climate…you know about how hot it’s gonna be in June, just like you know about how much music will be good, mediocre, and bad in a given decade. Musical innovation is like the temperature on a specific day in June: random.

 

Don't force me to list all of the great Jazz warblers from the 40's. Most of them are gone.

 

Speak of the devil, I saw this when I logged on to Facebook:

 

I'm assuming the "heart" emoji means, "I concur with your post: ******** that derivative fascist-adjacent hack who, as your bigsoccer colleague superdave suggests above, is one of those wankers who got the money that people after him didn't have a chance to get."

 

If you're not analyzing it at an early age, sure. The rock/pop music I'm most fond of happened before I was ten. The stuff of my teen years is on the second tier just below it.

Also not true in all cases. I respect 90s grunge more than most of the 80s alt whateva stuff.

And here's you trying to be hip and relevant. Air Supply had several well-crafted songs that were just a bit too... something... for your Dead Kennedys loving self to appreciate. Lost In Love has a great acoustic guitar intro. Little River Band was also amazing around the same time. Your fail is using the spray can of synthetic testosterone- mocking bands and music that your wood shop classmates snickered at when they were posing as Beavis and Butthead. Go back to Brooklyn and make horsehead bookends.

They were wrong. The best nonjazz music generally makes you a star. If he wanted to be a star, he should have written more accessible music. A song that you have to learn isn't automatically garbage. Declan McManus could have been more popular, but he decided to be all clever and faux provocative, like his stage name. If it has vox and it's great, it will be accessible, or it will become accessible. And that's when the black turtlenecked hipsters whine that this or that band did it first/better.

Deliver me from two chord commandos who boast about being Outside The Box. what happened is, you got your ass kicked in the box by real players.

 

The best jazz is instrumental, always has been. Deliver me from a poet who wants music for her little self-important rants. She wanna get on stage, She can learn to play a REAL (extracorporal) instrument. No divas!

 

15 goals after minute 90 is extreem, but goals late conceded by opponents is the result of the way they play, like Feyenoord does too. We also took many victories after minute 80-85, simply because at a given moment the batteries of the opponent are flat.

 

Give them what they fought for but lost, free the South.
Saves alot of money.

 

Dude, I don't know of any and you knew that when you posted. If that music means so much to you, you win.

I'm an educator of three generations. I'm tired of people who can't be bothered to learn, and I include music ed in that large tent. That's in my blood and I'm not going to apologize for it. I'm disgusted by people who want to destroy (music) ed by pretending it doesn't matter. subjugate the entire learning process by creating a genre where nothing matters- not form, not melody, not accompaniment, not jack and not shit. ********ing privileged whelps wanting to wreck things I'd have been proud to own.

I really don't need to know the specifics. <run-on>All I'm saying is, it's like a secret little cult/club, and it's often full of people who took an end around music ed because they couldn't wait to say whatever they felt the rest of the world needed to hear long enough to learn to play the instrument </run-on>

 

I prefer the vocals but I'll make an exception.

 

So you’re belittling something you have little to no knowledge of, while also bemoaning lack of education? Wouldn’t it be better to refrain from having an opinion on a subject you don’t understand, or at the very least educate yourself on it first?

 

I don't really care about it enough to research. I care about its effect on our society, educationally. Put it here and I'll give it some time, thanks. That done...

I do apologize for the tone of the previous post. But I really can't stand it when people are out there trying to learn how to play musical instruments and studying former players and asking (and discovering) why things work a certain way (theory), and suddenly that approach to proper formal education (it happens on guitar as well, just not so much in K12, but in stores and universities) is being questioned and pooh-poohed by people who never gave it a thought to begin with.

I want to ask you (BRF) if you can recall a post (because I think it was your post- if not, disregard) where you said that punk rock sought to get enough people recording their own music and putting it out there that the mainstream scene would vanish, or something along those lines. It wasn't in this thread, so I couldn't ever find it again, but it just raised the hairs on my neck, as a teacher. I see that as kind of a "vanity press" thing, where a bunch of unpublished professors start a publishing company to validate their own work. But these folks didn't just want to get their voices out there- they wanted the mainstream scene to die. All those crafted songs should go away and be replaced by Their Kind Of Music. They're even too cool to coexist with the educated enemy.

I mean, maybe they'd end up playing the exact same thing. But at least they could show their work.

Who was it that said, "Nothing great or horrid stays in the shadows for long"?

 

Declan McManus could have been Luka Bloom. Luka Bloom is cool.

 

It’s easier to have strong opinions when you don’t know anything.