Overall, yes, but he was certainly facing more than rando college guy expectations going into his EPL opportunities. Forest didn’t sign him on a whim free transfer.
Big game for Forest and Sels today. A loss and a 12 point Luton win and they go down... Also a big game for Sels - a win and he will be tied with Turner for PPG while in the nets.
Goals conceded and goals scored are stats, so if it doesn’t affect either of those, it doesn’t matter. You're contradicting yourself. Or you think “vibes” that don’t affect GF/GA matter, in which case, please show your work.
These were the final shot stopping numbers for the year for the EPL (from the Athletic) Turner is not great though rates a bit above Sels. Also notable Petrovic who had similarly elite shot stopping numbers in MLS also did not do well in his first EPL season.
Choosing David Raya rather than the caliber of shot stop Arsenal can afford may have cost them the title.
Alright, which one of you wrote this and forgot to credit freisland? https://prosoccerwire.usatoday.com/2024/05/22/matt-turner-matz-sels-nottingham-forest-comparison/
The year prior he had been near the top of the league whereas Ramsdale hadn’t done well by comparison. But his shot stopping stats have slipped since he joined Arsenal.
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Yelldell must have the record for "most time spent at a big club without playing any minutes." 1 game in 5 years with the Aspirins.
Sels is terrible. But we don't know what else goes on. If the rest of the team feels happier with him in goal over Turner, the coach is going to pick him. Even if Turner is a hair better, which he may be.
Turner doesn't promote confidence in his defenders with his awkward, high school-ish foot skills. If the defenders can't rely on Turner to do the right thing when the ball comes to him under pressure, the field players are going to be unhappy, to say the least. That alone would be sufficient cause for Turner to lose his starting role pretty much regardless of how good a shot stopper he is. It is probably an impossible hurdle for him given how late he came to the game.
I think the thing for me is Turner’s shot stopping wasn’t particularly good either and it’s not great that the two MLS goalies who were absolutely elite at it in MLS didn’t have that skill translate when moving to the EPL.
Zack Steffen was famously middle-of-the-pack when it came to his shot-stopping metrics in MLS. Turner, Frei, and Hamid all out-performed him during his 3 seasons with The Crew. It was Matt Doyle's favorite USMNT talking point between 2018 and 2021. I've always thought that Steffen's transfer to City was a combination of him looking better than he was thanks to their defense, good connections, and pure luck.
Yeah but he never got much run in the EPL to see how that translated. Whereas with Turner and Petrovic we have. And both were elite level in MLS (though I don’t think these stats existed during Tim Howard’s initial tenure in MLS).
Yeah but he was at City for four years, two on loan, two as a backup. He must have produced somewhat of what Pep was looking for.
Sure but the hope would be that they wouldn’t be the bottom of the league. The EPL is obviously a better league than MLS but just unfortunate that it didn’t seem to translate at all. Which also might make it harder for future goalies from MLS to make the jump to the EPL.
Exactly. While the discussion is focusing on shot-stopping , which is fundamental to goal keeping, other qualities, especially organizing the defence, are also important. So is not conveying deer-in-the-headlights panic on even ordinary crosses. Sels may be slightly better on the former. He's undeniably better on the latter Personally, I wouldn't describe Sels as being terrible but even on a good day his only remarkable quality is his mediocrity and it's not a great look for Turner to be dropped for that kind of player. That's the bad news. The good news is that knocking someone like that off his perch isn't exactly the steepest hill to climb in football. Turner just has to use the summer to destress and get his mental game sorted, in which case Sels will be dropped pretty quickly. "Just".
It's also helpful if a defense can, you know, defend. I got no idea how they parse those shot stopping metrics, but the quality of the shooter vs. the quality of the guy trying to stop him from shooting should play a bit. One of NF's best defender was young and inexperienced and made a number of critical mistakes. NF's better vet defenders lacked EPL experience and were not good on-field generals. They had a couple of defensive players out for a while with the Africa cup... Not to claim Turner or Sels were particularly awesome - they aren't - but the guys in front of them were not very good - and in many cases added up to less than the sum of the parts. I think that affected Turner the most, ans he is not a natural footie brain/general, to my eye.
No question about the balance of the squad, which everyone accepts means Nuno and the Front Office are going to be busy bunnies over the summer, with the central defence as Job No. 1 - Murillo is a very good prospect and Omobamidele a decent 3rd-choice but both are young, Boly is often injured, Diakate just doesn't lead the backline and Felipe is retiring anyway. There's been some speculation about the UEFA ball clubs monitoring Murillo, in which case an experienced CB with leadership qualities heading in the other direction could happen. Whether that happens or not, signing that kind of player is essential, even if it means giving Boly a payoff.