News: 2024 MLS Attendance Thread

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  1. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #501 Quinn 33, May 22, 2024
    Last edited: May 22, 2024
    Attendance growth has been basically flat in the 18 years they've been at DSGP. This happened in spite of soccer being an emerging/growing professional sport, high local participation rates at the rec level, and the state adding about a million people over that time. Soccer is materially more popular in Colorado than it was 18 years ago, and the sport has absolutely grown here. The Switchbacks and Hailstorm prove that. The Rapids themselves have failed to grow along with the sport.

    No, they literally just need to stop being negligent. Thats it.

    If they modernized the facilities, fielded a team that doesn't consistently miss the playoffs, and promote the team at the community/grassroots level, attendance at the club would improve noticeably.

    No way. Why would MLS reward KSE with a payday like that? KSE does little more than barely keep the lights on. MLS is giving those games to teams that have actually invested in growing the league and teams that will attract the most eyeballs.

    A one-off isn't going to fix anything as long as they continue to operate the Rapids as a cheap third-rate product. You're just packing a big stadium full of tourists and plastics that that will resume ignoring the Rapids once the game ends. Also, KSE doesn't own Mile High, so they'd be giving the Broncos and rent check and a big slice of the revenues.
     
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  2. blacktide

    blacktide Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    #502 blacktide, May 22, 2024
    Last edited: May 22, 2024
    The Quakes owner, John Fisher, would like a word...
     
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  3. superdave

    superdave BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s not Garber’s job, it’s Kroenke’s.
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but now that the Broncos have been bought by another Wal-Mart heir that's just keeping the money in the family.
     
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  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think people are sometimes too harsh on the league.

    There are only three countries in the world where more than 26 soccer teams get average attendances greater than the Rapids. They are England, Germany and the USA.

    Also, there are very few metro areas of less than 3 million people where 5 professional sports teams average 5 figure attendances. Maybe Brisbane, which has a slightly smaller metro population.

    The Birmingham UK area has 3.6 million people and 4 teams averaging more than 13k.

    So even if the Rapids move into a state of the art stadium that's covered and warm in the winter, and open and cool in the summer, the prospective market is more limited than in bigger cities.

    And f**k KSE!
     
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  6. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Open Cup numbers!
    Charleston got 5k vs Atlanta which seems to be a standing room sellout
    2,168 for NYCFC 2 vs New Mexico
    Standing room sellout 21,650 in KC for Tulsa (I guess this was free for STH?)
    Sacramento also with a sellout - 11,569 against San Jose.
    LAFC 22,000 vs Loudoun (I think this is also a sellout, and might be a round of 16 attendance record?)

    Today we have Indy hosting Detroit unfortunately. Would be fun for them to have a last hurrah against their mortal enemy MLS at home.
    Tampa is hosting Dallas and Settle plays Phoenix at Starfire.

    It kind of looks like MLS has completely outgrown the temporary 4k stadiums they tend to use for the Open Cup. When you can get 20k in a stadium you own, you should just do it?
     
  7. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    We also have another Canadian championship number:
    11,863 in Vancouver for Cavalry
     
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    KC says: Attendance: 10,088

    https://www.sportingkc.com/news/rec...-cup-quarterfinals-with-4-0-win-over-fc-tulsa
     
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  9. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
  10. soccermilitant

    soccermilitant Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    St.paul
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS is also trying to compete with other popular sports
     
  11. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Quick glance at LAFC Open Cup replay reveals that 22k is also incorrect :-(
     
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  12. superdave

    superdave BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A long time ago, maybe 15 years back, there was a survey done of pro sports market saturation, and Denver was the most oversaturated market. (Most sports + games divided by population)

    I don’t know that it still is, but if it’s not, it’s right up there. Denver has the same number of teams as Dallas and DC, which are much larger metro areas. Atlanta and Houston are much bigger but don’t have NHL teams. Denver is destined to be a problem market for the foreseeable future regardless of ownership. Kroenke getting his shit together would just mean Colorado will get to the league median. The club has to be outstanding at marketing just to be average in attendance.
     
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  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean...... the man does have a fairly big patch of real estate in Englewood, Ca.......

    KSE has already moved a NFL team..... Wouldn't put it past him to try a Precourt here.....
     
  14. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    Off the top of my head I can think of the Lions (AFL), Roar (A League), Broncos (NRL) and Reds (SuperRugby), but that's it for Brisbane. What other team are you thinking of? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not sure what the other Brisbane team would be.
     
  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You forgot about the Dolphins (NRL), Bullets (NBL) and Heat (BBL)
     
  16. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are already two MLS teams within 10 miles of that stadium.
     
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  17. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So? LA is a huge market. It can easily support 3 teams, same as NYC.
     
  18. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chivas USA paid Anschutz $26.5 million (while paying the league a $10 million expansion fee) to crack the territorial rights. What do you suppose a territorial rights buyout would run these days?
     
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  19. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    In LA?
    Priceless.

    In Chicago?
    A case of Malört and and swift kick in the balls.
     
  20. AhiTun4

    AhiTun4 Member

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Mar 16, 2024
    Los Angeles, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah we're not London just yet in the soccer world.
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dodgers, Rams, Angels, Chargers, Bruins, Trojans, Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Ducks, LAFC, Galaxy, Angel City.
     
  22. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    And that's just pro sports. We also have 2 major universities that play all the sports except hockey, and several smaller universities that still get 1k+ to bball games.
     
  23. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Wikipedia removed all attendanced for this Open Cup round so everything i posted could be wrong except Sacramento, which I verified.
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I included the Bruins and the Trojans.
     
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  25. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Crap. So you did.
     

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