Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

This is demonstrably false.

 

I'm not denying the possibility of what you just said, but intention matters. And that's what a lot of people don't get.

 

You referred to the statements of Israeli governmental officials to that effect.

 

Yeah, I've felt that way about you for months now.

 

I'm speaking about events like the Holodomor, Armenia, Poland. Things where no compromise is involved. Bear in mind that was what I learned about genocide ages ago.

I do know about Bosnia, as my ex-gf is from there and heard some of her stories, but not enough to comment on it with an informed opinion.

 

Didn't mean to come across that way.

 

Yeah, that's what Dimka from Olgino says about me all the time.

 

??? Which part?

 

I am sorry but that is more delusional than Kumar saying HAMAS does not govern Palestine.

A conflict that at heart is a religious conflict will not be solved with atheism. And yes I know secular does not equal atheist but for the people involved it does. Everything decision in this so called secular state will be religious based. This "new" secular country would be on par with the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

 

I agree, it doesn’t make you a bad Democrat. But I don’t think you can convince me that any action that doesn’t help Biden is bad for the Palestinians because the alternative is Trump.

We have seen this movie, in 2000. I rank Bush 2 as our 3rd worst president ever, and Trump is the worst, so I know someone sending themselves a mail bomb when I see it.

 

You have documentary evidence of that? Because I admit that normally, when people tell me who they are, I tend to believe them. So when officials of some government say e.g. "we will eradicate _____," I figure that means they intend to eradicate ______.

 

But what you are implicitly saying is that we can have no expectations whatsoever of our politicians -- we can't even expect them to not round up and exterminate all the brown people in the U.S. -- because the alternative is Trump.

There has to be *some* ability to hold even the candidates we prefer to account, or we are already no longer a democracy.

 

I wouldn’t be as definitive as you. The Thirty Years War was a devastating religious war, the first true world war, and it was the last major transnational Ps vs. Cs war* after the Treaty of Westphalia.

Once Charlemagne’s grandfather beat the Muslims in a battle whose name escapes me, Muslims stayed on their side of the mountains.

In neither case did the two sides become secular.

An expert on Sunni vs. Shia might have other examples as well.

*im not counting the Miami-Notre Dame rivalry in the Lou Holtz era

 

All the recent developments just proves the obvious points made by various observers, and myself in this thread.

This war is a gift to Hamas and the "axis of resistance". It is being fought on Hamas et al terms. Assymetrical warfare.
All the while Israel is loosing militarily (if success is defined by whether or not strategic objectives are reached), economically and politically.
If I were to say to you on October 7th right after the attacks, that 6 months later Israel would be prosecuted in ICJ, its leaders prosecuted in ICC, a state of Palestine would be recognized, that a global wide student movement in solidarity with Palestinians (that started in the US campuses no less!) would emerge, I think many of you would say I was batshit crazy. Granted, some of these events are symbolic to an extent, but thats not to say symbolism doesnt matter.

Israeli military needs an enemy with a military it can see. A conventional army which abide by conventional means or rules. With a swift defeat.
Not a Vietcong style guerilla army that is next to impossible to defeat, in a forever war with no end in sight.
Contrary to what some may want to think, Hamas is winning the ideological and political narrative among the populace in Gaza, and increasingly so in the West Bank.
Im actually baffled as to what some of you say about the supposed miniscule support Hamas has in Gaza, even after this war. What a load of baloney.

This war has been strategic defeat for Israel on a colossal scale.

 

Ok I guess but America is part of the world, plus other nations have supported Israel too.

 

I don’t think that’s what I’m saying, I’m just reiterating that everyone has only one vote, and to use that vote wisely. Meanwhile, the other 1460 days of a presidential term you should lobby relevant politicians, donate money to candidates you support, etc. I don’t like Biden’s policies on Israel either but I won’t consider not voting for him.