Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds II

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— Lorenzo Tondo (@lorenzo_tondo) May 21, 2024

 

Yeah, they've generally been a disaster for Israel. Without them, Israel could have much more effectively separated themselves from the Palestinians. Continued entanglement with the Palestinians needs to be avoided as much as possible.

 

It is a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which explicitly prohibits an occupying power from transferring its population into territories it occupies.

 

The characterization flows from international law, because Israel exercises sovereignty over the Palestinian people (i.e., occupation) but doesn't take responsibility for them. One can use whatever words they choose to describe that reality, but it has been the reality for the past fifty-plus years.

Are you surprised that those sympathetic with the occupied impose responsibility on the occupier? Why?

 

@mebeSajid there is a lot of space between what big red is describing (Israelis have all the agency) and your straw man (the Israelis have no agency.)

That’s the space where I live too.

 

That is the opposite of what I'm saying: I'm saying that Israel bears responsibility because it has agency (and thus should face accountability). I'm saying Palestinians have very little agency (i.e., their ability to act is quite limited and at Israel's sufferance) because, after all, they've been occupied for fifty-plus years.

 

I think that's a fair statement, and I'm of the view that context almost always matters.

I (mostly) agree.

To me, the underlying concepts are really "freedom to act" and "constrains on that freedom." The ability to make decisions is great, but in reality they don't matter without the ability to act on those decisions, and there are far more constraints on the Palestinians ability to act. For example, the PA literally can't build a road connecting Bethlehem and Nablus except at Israel's sufferance. And that's why I'm using words like "sovereignty" instead.

 

The prosecutor in this case isnot going to thread on thin ice.
It's now almost a certainty the arrest warrants will be issued.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggpe3qj6wo
"The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC) has applied for arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas's leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, for war crimes.

Karim Khan KC said there were reasonable grounds to believe that both men bore criminal responsibility for war crimes and crimes against humanity from the day of Hamas's attack on Israel on 7 October onwards.

Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant and Hamas's political leader Ismail Haniyeh, along with the group's military chief Mohammed Deif, are also wanted for arrest.

ICC judges will now decide whether they believe the evidence is sufficient to issue arrest warrants - something which could take weeks or months."

Don't know what you mean by this.
It's not subject to permission of anybody.

 

He means there is likely to be intense diplomatic and political pressure to not issue the warrants.

Karim Khan apparently has a reputation as a rather cautious prosecutor, suggesting that the indictments were only brought on charges he knew he could win on the merits (much like what US attorneys’ offices do in the US in federal criminal trials), and Israel apparently backed his appointment because of that same caution.

 

No, it's not symbolic.
Countries that have signed the treaty of the iCJ/ICC, are by law obliged to arrest them, when they know the wanted ones are on their territory.
So basically the wanted ones can only travel to among others Qatar, USA, Russia and China.
Full list of countries that havenot signed the declaration in here:
https://icj-cij.org/states-entitled-to-appear

 

There aren’t many ways to resist peacefully. Palestinians have been gunned down when trying to peacefully protest.

The first intifada was not an armed uprising, it started as civil disobedience and mass protests. It was met with brutal repression. In the first year, no israelis died and nearly 150 Palestinians were killed, including children, and including over a dozen who were physically beaten to death by Israeli police or military. The israelis had a policy of breaking kids arms with truncheons during the first intifada. Thousand of children under the age of ten(!!) were treated for injuries from beatings by the israeli security apparatus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada

The Gaza border protests of 2018-2019 weren’t military attacks by the Gazans. Palestinians were gunned down in their hundreds. Many israel supporters here have no issue with israel’s actions during the border protests:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests

The BDS movement is entirely peaceful, it has tried to amend israeli policy for over 20 years via peaceful means, and israel has simply used the powers of the state to try and suppress it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_Prevention_of_Damage_to_State_of_Israel_through_Boycott

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendment_No._28_to_the_Entry_Into_Israel_Law

The israelis are running the longest military occupation in modern history. They know a thing or two about blocking off peaceful avenues to Palestinian emancipation. The Palestinians are entitled to armed resistance in the circumstances.

 

Amal Clooney played key role in decision to seek Israeli leader arrest warrant
The Daily Telegraph|9 hours ago
Amal Clooney has revealed she played a key role in the decision to seek an international arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister on charges of war crimes in Gaza.

Amal Clooney, a key figure in the request for Netanyahu's arrest by the International Criminal Court
El País in English|7 hours ago
The lawyer has spent more than 20 years defending high-level causes and has now served on a panel of legal experts to evaluate evidence of suspected war crimes and crimes against humanity in Israel an

 

Well imo the only jail cell Netanyahu will see is if he is convicted by Israeli courts for corruption charges, not from ICC ruling.