me too....the panic is ridiculous....hes proven cant think of any american player other than donovan who has eviscerated mexico the way gio has.... something is off in terms of how he gets along with clubs and managers etc....but I think that is more a case of being in bad situations...being stuck with bad management his clubs have been using him poorly....not featuring him enough.... hes a top talent and it will all work out in the end
I think shifting the goalposts to clowning on mexico of all things is just a sign of how far he has fallen and the issue with his development up until then. Reyna was starting games in the CL since 16 years old and assisting! At 16, 17!!! He was a true wonderkid. Well he is now 21.5, a full 4 seasons later, and what do we get? "At least he clowned on Mexico." Wow! Truly what we all wished for back then lol. I mean I am being sarcastic but really, Reyna was on a "wow, could be actually be starter level for a Madrid Or Man City team" trajectory. Now, he is not. Some people are more accepting of that reality than others. HE still has plenty of talent and promise but I think it's realistic to say he has not reached the heights we all had for him when he was a 16 year old assisting in the CL.
Injuries have been an issue for him.Not getting selected when healthy is another.Making suboptimal club choices is another.Hopefully he moves forward like Pulisic and McKennie have.
The 23/24 Gio thread is nearly a carbon copy of Dest's from 22/23. Not sure anything fresh has been said for quite a while. Hopefully he continues to produce for the USMNT in Copa and then finds himself in a good club situation in 24/25.
just take a look at pulisics career and how differently he has been perceived under different managers at chelsea he was a flop - because of his shtty managers!!!!! lampard, tuchel. potter etc?? garbage!!! now under pioli all of a sudden hes great again! i would think people would learn their lesson about this kind of thing but apparently not sky is still the limit for gio he just has to stop playing for crap managers unfortuanatley cant control national team manager but can for club....just has to pick better
Not having the option to buy changes the tenor of the loan drastically. He went from a potential long term part of the team that needed to be integrated and developed to a short term depth piece that could be kept on the sideline until needed in case of emergency.
This is where I am at. I will never understand those that say that he has never proven anything. That he needs to go to a lower league in Europe or even MLS. He has already been a very good player in the Bund at a very very young age. When healthy he has put up impressive numbers already on a championship level squad. Other than last Fall, he always put up numbers with Dortmund when healthy. He is currently one of the best players on a top 20 international side. That trajectory he displayed from such a young is rare and isn't some fluke. But yeah it stretches the imagination now to envision him turning into an American De Bruyne after what we have seen since his injury. That said, I still think Gio has a chance to be the best American player to date. His talent is unquestionable. He needs to stay healthy and if that happens it's hard to imagine he doesn't have a productive career at a top level in Europe, and certainly for the US. As Bellingham said, the cream rises. All the other noise will work itself out with Gio as long as the stays healthy IMO.
I wonder if any FO / TD / coach will think he's a bargain and make a move for him. On a team with a gifted attack and mindset like Dortmund used to have he would fit like a glove. I also wonder if on various national team boards years ago posters were lamenting the career of players like De Bruyne or Salah etc when they went through some struggles.
What do you think Dortmund would be willing to sell him for this summer? I don't think whatever that number is would be seen as a "bargain" price by any other club. I imagine they ultimately want to get close to what TM currently has his valuation at (20M Euros), but no one is going to pay that price up front, so it'll have to be weighted on the back end. I'm thinking that MAYBE they'd let him go for 10M Euros with a large sell-on percentage (25%?), and perhaps even some performance add-ons. Is that a "bargain" for anyone? But Dortmund is in a tough spot. They've got a player that they don't seem to really want to play anymore, but they know he could be a very good player. He's got 2 years left on his contract, but the longer it takes to find a buyer the lower that number goes. I think the best case scenario--for player and club--is that he gets a good loan (with an option to buy) this summer and plays really well, and said club triggers the buy option. But after the disaster that was the Nottingham loan, I'd think Dortmund will be a lot more insistent on selecting a good destination. But it's all really complicated, isn't it?
I don’t see the point of having him travel to Burnley at all. part of the 18 sits the whole day the game means nothing to Nuno so just should have let him clear out his place and focus on his agent. just pointless
He ought to just stay healthy train with Dortmund reservs for a year leave on a free after that. turn down any loan that does not have iron clad guarantees in it. Yes it risks WC and appearances for the USMNT but he needs to get his pro career in order.
nope 5 subs in and he is glued to the bench almost seems a personal insult by Nuno I wonder what Matt Turner might be able to provide in terms of insight - but he probably will not say anything
Dortmund really holds the cards at this point with 2 years left on Gios contract. Most likely he stays as Brandt's back up and fights for starts next year. If Terzic doesn't want him he probably gets a season long loan, hopefully to Spain or Italy to rebuild his value. Outside chance he Impresses during Copa America and someone offers Dortmund enough money to sell him. There is Definitely a price they will take. Small chance that Dortmund are done and will sell him for peanuts.
all he has to do is ball out in the copa america (which I predict he will) and his value will skyrocket
I don't think so. He has enough of a club resume that what he does with the national team won't influence many people.
He did pretty good last summer and it got him a hand full of minutes. Apparently, that was not enough for him and his camp and they pushed for the loan. Because of that , he has himself in a really tight spot. Can't really ride on the Dortmund success of a few years ago; got nothing to show for the end of this season and not much from the beginning of the season. Better get back to Germany and bust his ass and work himself into the team or at least first off the bench.
Not surprised and I wouldn't take it as an insult. Nuno and fans are looking to next year so no purpose in playing someone who won't be there or at least has potential transfer value.
Have said it many times, the Forest move just never made sense. Nuno doesn't rotate his squad (was a huge issue at Wolves especially when they qualified for Europa), Forest's best players played in the positions Gio normally would play, and the style of play never messed. Throw in that Forest is a team in chaos that never really were able to steady the ship? Recipe for disaster. To say Gio will have a similar career arc to Freddy Adu is harsh. Maybe Gio takes a lesson from this and has a revival at Dortmund, maybe Gio takes a step back and finds a team that better fits his style and will let him work through any inconsistency in his game
But this Copa America this summer is a preview for the WC, more eyes will be on it, the stakes are higher. If the US makes a deep run or even wins it (just go with it) and Gio is at the center of this scoring and assisting, I think it will be hard for a team to not take a chance. Just like McKinney looked awful at Leeds and Pulisic was "pants" at Chelsea, we can see that's not necessarily a reflection on what the player can be like given a better situation. Also. the minutes that he did get, Reyna did not play poorly, he was decent. He just had the mvp of the team ahead of him. I don't think this loan was disastrous at all in reality. He was never going to get minutes at the end because of the no buy clause. Finally, he didn't get injured!!!! halleluiah!!! Really, that's the most important headline right there. He now has chance to steady his career. First up, shine in the Copa, this summer will be epic.