Yeah I know the law says deliberate handball, but back in the real world... He jumped with his hands in front of his body (not his face). They may have been slightly to the side of his body in fact, but with bent arms. There was a clear (though probably instinctive) movement towards the ball too.
You have a guy coming at the ball with both hands and elbows above his shoulders. This is such an unnatural position that it is a completely reasonable inference that his intention was to obstruct the path of the ball with his hands. Completely reasonable call ... i'm upset with the player not the ref on that one. However the DB red was utter BS.
Deliberate or not in a 1-0 game that close to the end the Referee is more times than not going to call it. He obviously wasn't trying to do it, but it was stupid of him to put his arms up and get into the situation. If they were down by his side or covering his nuts it never would have been called. No excuses the hands were up the fans were yelling he got called on it. Guess we have to play this one over. Maybe they will have Sol back by then and put PV back in the center. Then it's over.
Not a very well played match on our part and we certainly were not very creative after Bergkamp was sent off. About that.....he should've known better and not raised his hands but he was obviously ticked from being hacked down seconds earlier. The sending off was harsh though. Eboue has some wheels, doesn't he? He looks like he may have a bright future for us. Senderos played decently and was unlucky in the end with the hand ball. I agree that under a very strict interpretation of the rule (sorry, the attorney talking) the ref would've been justified NOT blowing his whistle. However, that type of incident IS called 9 out of 10 times, so while I was not happy, I didn't feel like it was the worst decision ever. The penalty actually wasn't struck very well at all. Sometimes I think keepers are better off trying to react instead of guessing and going....especially considering how many penalties you see now a days just blasted down the middle. Oh well. Unless the fixture congestion is just out of hand, I think we should play Vieira and Henry for the replay.
It's been discussed to death in a million forums (fora?) the world over, but what I've heard some refs say is that you have to make a decision about whether the movement of the arm was deliberate, not whether the intent of that movement was to make contact with the ball. Of course, since that's one of the points that's been discussed to death, why am I even bringing it up? Please disregard.
It's not just his football you have to worry about - the lad seems somewhat henpecked http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2005080742,00.html Apparently his 25 year old wannabe model girlfriend is refusing to come over to the Uk because it will hurt her chances of making it as a model... If that photo of her is anything to go by she's gonna need all the help she can get Crappy result for you guys today - last thing you wanted was another fixture now that the CL's about to kick-off again... You'll get them at the replay
ITV reports that Reyes could be subject to a 3 match ban for slapping Liddell. http://www.itv-football.co.uk/Teams/Arsenal/story_143985.shtml
Easy question here but thnx to whomever takes the time to answer. So if the red stands against DB then i read that means he is suspended for 3 games. Am I correct in assuming this suspension applies only to FA Cup games and not Barclay's or Champions League games? If that is correct then this red pretty much keeps him out of the remainder of the FA Cup correct? thnx.
Amazing enough apparently the cameras missed it too. I never saw one replay with DB's hand around anyones throat. You must be thinking of Drogba against ManU. Either you are blind or just being an idiot troll. Sure they didn't replay the first take down of Reyes so it was hard to tell for certain that it was a pk but it sure looked like a pk in real time. However, the replays did show the Blade defender with his arm clearly pulling Ljung down as he uses his leg to finish the take down well inside the box. One of the most clear penalties I've seen. Take off your Chelsea brand "Arsenal-hating" glasses and you might be able to offer a reasonable word or two about this game. I agreed with the handball call despite the fact that I've seen it not called many times. However, you are misrepresenting what happened. Senderos arms were not in front but raised to the side as many defenders (stupidly) do when jumping, landing, or clearing space. The ball fell in front of him and was hit immediately into his arm from no more than a couple of feet away. Hardly deliberate but still a stupid play by a young defender who needs to learn to keep the arms down while in the box.
No-one's fans are angels least of all ours but did you conveniently miss about a thousand of your fans doing the five knuckle shuffle to Cullip after he had a perfectly good goal disallowed? It was all in unisons *Sniff* a beautiful thing...
CannonB! Bergkamp's hand was 100% round Cullip's throat and then he shoved him away! Although i thought Cullip should have gotten a card for studding Fabregas in the face because if you watch it again, he was looking down signalling intent when he landed. I only saw it live and didn't see any replays this is just what i saw from the initial incident.
Not a good performance from either of the three teams, I think. I'm amazed it wasn't a 0-0 draw. Neale Barry made some very soft calls, like the handball and the ejection to Bergkamp, and let others go that were clearly worse. The "beauty" of the whole Bergkamp incident is that there are at least two off the ball misconducts AFTER the initial foul other than Bergkamp's, which was probably Unsporting but hardly Violent Conduct. At no time did I see Bergkamp with his hand around Cullip's throat, even after repeated replay, so either all the TV cameras were blind to the fact, or our Toffee fan is talking out of his cornholio. I'm not sure what everyone's on about the disallowed goal. It's a pretty clear NOT offside--there is no flag from the AR on the play, you'll note--but rather a holding/impeding call--on one of the three pushing contests in the penalty area. Again, a soft call, but it was that way all day. Anyone who says Sheffield U deserved to win or played their hearts out is full of rum. After the first half hour, they couldn't even hold the damned ball, had virtually no possession in the final third and had no real shots on goal beyond the disallowed goal for a foul. Their midfield plainly stunk, and they were simply embarassing in the second half. Neither team deserved a win, as Arsenal were plainly slow yet impatient, and often sleepwalking on the pitch. I am, however, glad that Reyes is finally starting to push back, and pick up yellow cards for retaliations. That's a sign of a true Gunner.
Not a good performance from either of the three teams, I think. I'm amazed it wasn't a 0-0 draw. Neale Barry made some very soft calls, like the handball and the ejection to Bergkamp, and let others go that were clearly worse. The "beauty" of the whole Bergkamp incident is that there are at least two off the ball misconducts AFTER the initial foul other than Bergkamp's, which was probably Unsporting but hardly Violent Conduct. At no time did I see Bergkamp with his hand around Cullip's throat, even after repeated replay, so either all the TV cameras were blind to the fact, or our Toffee fan is talking out of his cornholio. I'm not sure what everyone's on about the disallowed goal. It's a pretty clear NOT offside--there is no flag from the AR on the play, you'll note--but rather a holding/impeding call--on one of the three pushing contests in the penalty area. Again, a soft call, but it was that way all day. Anyone who says Sheffield U deserved to win or played their hearts out is full of rum. After the first half hour, they couldn't even hold the damned ball, had virtually no possession in the final third and had no real shots on goal beyond the disallowed goal. Their midfield plainly stunk, and they were simply embarassing in the second half. Neither team deserved a win, as Arsenal were plainly slow yet impatient, and often sleepwalking on the pitch. I am, however, glad that Reyes is finally starting to push back, and pick up yellow cards for retaliations. That's a sign of a true Gunner.
OK just finished watching Match Of The Day, and having seen some of the stuff close up in slow mo from reverse angles with the moon waxing over jupiter, it is clear to me that this game was just fvcked up all round really. The Blades manager said in his post match interview that his directors had said "whatever you do, dont win". Wonder if they said the same thing to the ref. Keep it nil nil as long as you can, and then give the trailing team a goal?
Disappointing match all around, I know I've seen a few. The DB red was too harsh, a yellow would have been enough to calm the game down. Other than that the gooners gave it away. The PK was a good call not as blatent as the one not given against Chelsea at Anfield but hands over shoulder height....you're toast. Biggest disappointment was Lungberg, he really needs to get something for those dizzy spells he gets. He's better than that.
Just saw the replays again (on Sky Sports...who crucified us over the "foreigners" issue...not exactly big Arsenal fans) and it was clear his hand never went around the throat. Sorry but until you show me video or pictures, I've got to say you don't know what your talking about. DB pushed him in the chest away from the fracas and then waved his finger in the Blades face. On what planet is that a red card? If you start sending players off for some pushing and finger pointing then you might as well cancel the season and the cups because you'll never keep enough players on the pitch to finish a game. There were so many worse fouls going on in that little get together that DB would have been one of the last players the ref should have even thought of carding. From the Blades player who sure did look like he tried to step on our guy, to the slap, to general pushing, etc, the ref just lost control and then made the situation worse by red carding our capt. When is the FA going to do something about poor refs? I've seen a few this season (including the joker today) who have no business reffing Conference North games let alone 5th round FA Cup or EPL matches.
"It looks like Cygan is coming on for Reyes. Arsenal planning to batten down the hatches then"... I couldn't help but laugh out loud.
During the game I started to see a potential future rightwinger in Eboue. I'd like to see him tried in that position, he has the pace and technique to do well there I think. KJ
Cygan was once again the catalyst. His extremely poor clearing attempt forced Senderos to take desparate action to block the shot. Pray for Sol.
Arsene Wenger is quoted as saying "We will appeal against the sending off. We will appeal on the grounds that he didn't hit him, he pushed him. But I must say I was shocked by what I saw against Fabregas." Don't think this will get far - Rooney's push in the face on Bolton's Ben Haim was deemed voilent conduct and resulted in a three match ban. Most fans myself included would think these incidents are a yellow - as they are far from being a punch. But if there is any consistency from the FA ...