2024 Concacaf Champions Cup

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  1. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The Concacaf club tournament has a new name and format.
    There are also new tournaments feeding into the competition.
    Some of the teams have already been determined.

    Concacaf Champions Cup format
    27 teams will qualify either from their leagues, national tournaments, or from three regional tournaments.
    The knockout tournament will have home-and-away legs in each matchup except for the Final which will be a single game.

    5 teams will go directly to the Round of 16:

    2023 Caribbean Cup champion
    2023 Central American Cup champion
    2023 Leagues Cup champion
    2022/2023 Liga MX Apertura/Clausura champion with best aggregate record: Pachuca
    2023 MLS Cup champion

    22 teams will start in Round One:

    2023 Canadian Championship: Vancouver Whitecaps
    2023 Canadian Premier League champions
    2023 Canadian Premier League regular season champions
    2023 Caribbean Cup runner-up
    2023 Caribbean Cup third place
    2023 Central American Cup runner-up
    2023 Central American Cup losing semi-finalist
    2023 Central American Cup losing semi-finalist
    2023 Central American Cup play-in winner
    2023 Central American Cup play-in winner
    2023 Leagues Cup runner-up
    2023 Leagues Cup third place
    2022/2023 Liga MX Apertura/Clausura champion with lesser aggregate record: UANL Tigres
    2022 Liga MX Apertura runner-up: Toluca
    2023 Liga MX Clausura runner-up: Guadalajara
    2022/2023 Liga MX next best aggregate table: Monterrey
    2022/2023 Liga MX next best aggregate table: America
    2023 MLS Supporter Shield winner
    2023 MLS opposite conference winner
    2023 MLS next best Shield table
    2023 MLS next best Shield table
    2023 US Open Cup champion

    NOTE: Canadian MLS teams can qualify for the MLS spots in addition to the Canadian Championship.

    The tournament bracket will be seeded using the new Concacaf Club Ranking Index which now orders teams individually rather than the old system that used ranking by tournament slot:
    https://www.concacaf.com/en/rankings/club/

    There is also a new League Ranking Index that will be used to determine future slot allocations:
    https://www.concacaf.com/en/rankings/league/

    The tournament will start in early 2024 but the dates have not been announced.
     
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  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2023 Central American Cup

    20 teams from the 7 Central American Football Union federations will compete for regional supremacy and 5 spots in the new Concacaf Champions Cup.

    Qualified teams for the 2023 tournament:
    Belize (1): Verdes
    Costa Rica (4): Saprissa, Herediano, Alajuelense, Cartaginés
    El Salvador (3): FAS, Jocoro, Águila
    Guatemala (3): Cobán Imperial, Xelajú, Comunicaciones
    Honduras (4): Olimpia, Olancho, Real España, Motagua
    Nicaragua (2): Real Estelí, Diriangén
    Panama (3): Independiente, Sporting San Miguelito, Universitario

    The teams have been drawn into 4 groups of 5. Teams will play all 4 opponents in their group once: 2 home and 2 away. The top two in each group will advance. The group stage will be held in August, the knockouts will run September-December.
     
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  3. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  4. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2023 Caribbean Cup

    10 teams from the Caribbean Football Union federations will compete for regional supremacy and 3 spots in the new Concacaf Champions Cup.

    8 teams have been determined and two more will come out of the Caribbean Shield tournament being held in August.

    Dominican Republic (3): Cibao, Atlético Pantoja, Moca
    Jamaica (3): Harbour View, Dunbeholden, Cavalier
    Trinidad & Tobago (2): Port of Spain, Defence Force
    2023 Caribbean Shield champion
    2023 Caribbean Shield runner-up

    Haiti's league is suspended and they will not take part.

    The Caribbean Cup will have two groups of five teams. Teams will play all 4 opponents in their group once: 2 home and 2 away. The top two in each group will advance. The tournament will start in late August.
     
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  5. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CONCACAF changes their club tournament too frequently. It already has a problem with relevance, but these changes only make it worse. Bush league confederation.
     
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  6. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Adjustment to stay competitive with leagues cup?
     
  7. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Houston needs to win this, I’ve been wanting to see them win the CCC since 2007.
     
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  8. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    These aren't really dramatic changes from an MLS perspective.

    The key stuff under the hood seems like the rationalization and expansion of the Central American/Caribbean stuff which sounds positive to me (the CONCACAF League was a strange mishmash that didn't seem to be serving any goal), and the formal inclusion of the Canadian Premier League.

    I've always felt the long term vision for CONCACAF has to be five robustly professionalized men's club leagues (Canada, US, Mexico, Central America, Caribbean), and these format tweaks suggest that they agree with me, which is always the path to my heart.
     
  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Travel will be too expensive to have a Caribbean league. How many small islands have flights to other small islands? Imagine if you want to travel between two islands south of USA, but you had to go out of your way and change planes in Miami or somewhere else in the southeast.
     
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  10. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Plus language barriers, plus political barriers, plus the low existing standard of pro soccer there. It's hard. Harder than a Central American league.

    But we put a man on the moon. Things are possible. This new tournament looks like a positive step.
     
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  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A quick Google shows that InterCaribbean Airways operates between 17 different Caribbean nations/territories. And that's just one of the Caribbean airlines. I don't think its hard to find a flight between most Caribbean nations that is either direct or at worst has a change in a third Caribbean nation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterCaribbean_Airways
     
  12. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #12 Nico Limmat, Jun 20, 2023
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2023


    Concacaf definitely embracing the full CCC history now, dating back to 1962. Writers on mlssoccer.com will have to adjust. No more statistical and narrative limitation to the “CCL era”.
     
  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Oh no!

    Anyway…
     
  14. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
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  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I imagine the "Host Team" will be the 2024 MLS Cup Champion.
     
  16. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Are they giving that extra spot to CONCACAF or USSF?
     
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  17. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    The USSF. So in addition to Seattle there will be at least one more MLS team. I imagine they will try to have all MLS teams play in or near their home stadium.
     
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  18. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Chicago, the time has come. :D

     
  19. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I really hope MLS is considering changing some of its rules before the CWC so its representatives can have a shot to compete.
     
  20. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
  21. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So which qualifying spot will Monterey keep (assuming they get to the final or win the 3rd place game in Leagues Cup)? One scenario would put a Liga MX team in the CCC while the other puts an MLS one in there.
     
  22. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #22 Nico Limmat, Aug 12, 2023
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2023
    After all the work and travel Monterrey has put in, hopefully any CCC spot won by them goes to Liga MX. One way or the other.

    And similarly, any spot won by a MLS team should be kept by MLS.
     
  23. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    If Monterrey wins LC it puts them directly in the CCC R16. If they get 2nd 3rd or 4th it makes no difference to them.
     
  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    With Miami and Nashville in the Leagues Cup final, and thus the 2024 CCC, there are now just 5 MLS teams that have never qualified for the modern (since 2008) tournament: St. Louis, Charlotte, Cincinnati, Minnesota, and Chicago.

    Minnesota has been eligible for 6 tournaments, Cincinnati 4, Charlotte 1, St. Louis 0.

    The Fire have missed out on 15.
     
  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of those that have qualified, the Rapids are the only ones to have never advanced in CONCACAF play (including the original format back in 1998 they’ve had 4 chances).
     
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