2022-2023 UEFA Referee Discussion [R]

I think some of it comes down to the point you raised in another post: slow mo, super slow mo, the ability to rewatch every potential play on the internet all magnify every little error. And that squelches the benefit of the doubt that refs can develop for ITOOTR.

 

From 2:15. "I'm a soccer fan. I don't like refereeing. I like soccer, and refereeing is what has most allowed me to be very close to the people I admire."

 

Cerro-Grande not having a good time in the Europa Conference League Final overall.
Penalty for West Ham given after VAR, almost duplicate of the Grealish hand ball in the FA Cup Final!

PH

 

Sometimes I wonder how collina would be viewed if he was refereeing today. Was he actually some infallible referee who rarely if ever made a mistake? Or was his presence and personality on the field what made everyone love him? Because that would be really funny if he was actually like Lahoz where he has his match failures here and there but people completely overlook them because he still had his presence, and if he was a ref today he would basically be viewed similarly
To Lahoz where people think he’s all about theatrics and making the game about himself

 

Thank you for this mikael. Very nice to see kind words for a referee who has received so much vitriol from players coaches and fans (outside of 2021 champions league final which literally everyone praised)

 

Shouldn't he have stopped the match when the Fiorentina player got hit in the head by an object thrown by the West Ham fans?

 

I have no idea what that committee is or how you found it, but I sent a very short email there and to the RFEF human resources email address. I expect absolutely nothing in return and asked in the email if they speak English, but it would be nice

 

That's the referee committee for the autonomous community of Valencia, where Mateu Lahoz is from. Referees in Spain are affiliated with the referee committee of the region they come from or where they live. You sometimes see these affiliations listed on the full appointments.

Let us know if they get back to you.

 

This ability seems to have been "trained out" or "coached against" most modern referees during the recent decades. Prior to then, there were quite a few of these "big personality" referees who won the respect of the players.
Examples include Jack Taylor, Clive Thomas, Tom Wharton, Karoly Palotai, Abraham Klein, George Courtney, Mario Rubio, Javier Castrilli, and going further back, Leo Horne, Concetto LoBello, Ken Aston, Reg Leafe. Not quite at the same level, but even in the US we had people such as FIFA referees Gino D"Ippolito and Toros Kibritjian.
(BTW it was said that LoBello would add 10,000 to the normal attendance when he was refereeing!)

Although they said that about many of the people I listed, I think it is largely true now.

PH

 

Only watched the second half but seemed like no controversies really.

 

I was happy to see added time within added time. It drives me bonkers when there is a time wasting caution during added time and no extra time is added to offset the wasting—and the time to give the caution.

 

hey, @Pierre Head, is this where I chime in?

 

Only interesting thing from a referee perspective was that Macron rolled out new referee uniforms for the 2023 through 2025 season.

So what they wore today will be worn at the Euros.

Also, it seems like they are taught to just not bother in managing and enforcing the technical area at all.

Inzaghi was practically all the way down the corner flag giving instructions the whole game.

 

Marciniak did a very good job and soccer fans seem to be acknowledging the same. But this seemed like quite a simple match. I don't think there were any handballs and not anything even close to a VAR needing to get involved. The only miss was what probably should have been a yellow card for a stomp on the foot of a Milan player and no foul was called

Obviously you don't hold the "easiness" of the game against him. He did quite a bit of glaring at players which might have helped control things. All in all Marciniak is probably the top referee in the world right now

 

Might as well!
I had my say earlier.

PH

 

VAR interventions for red cards in Letexier's game Gambia - Uruguay in the FIFA U20 World Cup

1.) https://streamable.com/5qy671
2) https://streamable.com/e59y5t

 

Marco van Basten wrote an open letter to Infantino about the antics of players, ruining games for viewers.
There's a simple solution for it and no rules changes needed. Only the captain is allowed to "protest" to the referee. Card everybody who doesnot abide to that rule and within one round of matches were done with this lousy comedia dell'arte performances of players.

 

That's what I posted.
Enforce what we've got.

 

I have a real problem with the second one being VC. The Gambian player grabs and holds on five yards, and we going to penalize the player on the receiving end more harshly because there is some contact? Don't get me wrong, if he violently throws the elbow, I agree with red, but the player was hog tied adn tried to get free. I absolutely think the second one is given only because the first one was.

 

If only he blew the whistle at 45:23 when the defender was practically riding the attacker's back, the SPA was clear, there's no advantage to wait for, situation over, yellow card issued.



Instead, he lets the defender ride on his back for an extra 4 seconds that results in a boiling over of frustration and the attacker gets sent off after one of the most cynical, prolonged holding fouls you will see.

And then he shows the Gambia player a YC while he's rolling on the floor holding his face


What kind of refereeing is this? This happened constantly in games where I would AR and see a state/regional CR do the exact same thing, a mass confrontation would result, and discouraged me from bothering to center higher level games.

Here's one from the Spanish second division playoff today. Goalkeeper makes save, is running up to distribute ball. Attacker pulls his arm back to stop him, a clear SPA YC, one of the times that interfering with the GK's release actually should be a YC. Goalkeeper responds by punching the guy in the back. The result of the play? Not a DFK for the GK team and GK VC RC, no no no. VC RC and a PK to the attacker's team, which luckily got missed.

https://streamja.com/ZBaP9

 

RFEF highlights package for this match. The tie ended 4-4, Castellón moves on to the promotion final.