Giovanni “Gio” Reyna national team discussion (from YA)

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  1. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
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    Start a Go-Fund Me.
     
  2. ebbro

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    JFC, this thread is a shit show - it belongs in USA Men, not N&A.
     
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  3. xbhaskarx

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    #4553 xbhaskarx, Jun 9, 2023
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    For what? What does that even mean?? Can you flesh out a fully coherent thought or is that asking too much?

    All Pulisic said was that Gregg should be in consideration for the job. That's the US Soccer position. That's also the public position US Soccer has to take from a legal perspective, so Gregg can't try to sue them. That doesn't mean US Soccer, or their sponsors, necessarily want a national team coach who made news when it came out that he was kicking his girlfriend while she was on the ground and only stopped when some third party intervened and tackled Gregg which allowed his girlfriend to escape. Probably not a desirable trait with sponsors, or women, or the majority of men who are hopefully anti domestic abuse even if some might not consider it to be a big deal.

    And why just Reyna, what about Pepi who doesn't say Gregg's name?
     
  4. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Collected text messages,Instagram posts with sad emojis,and slander behind closed doors-IOW,the usual.
     
  5. ifsteve

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    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
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    United States
    What in the hell is the matter with you? NOBODY has said what he did was acceptable on any level but stop already. Lets look at the part of this story you never mention.
    1. This was what 30 years ago.
    2. The girlfriend nor the police pursued charges.
    3. By every account this was a one time offense by a teenager.
    4. They subsequently got back together and have been married 30 years.

    I wasn't there but neither were you. Stop making it sound like only some bystander save her life. This has been hashed to death. Its over. That hasn't got a damn thing to do with whether Berhalter should be back as the coach or how Reyna should be used in the USMNT. Move the hell on.
     
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  6. twoolley

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    Jan 3, 2008
    Why did i open this thread? My eyes are bleeding.
     
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  7. 50/50 Ball

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    Sep 6, 2006
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    It also has absolutely nothing to do with how he handled Gio's bad hamstring and attitude in Qatar.
     
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  8. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Gio played the role he did at BVB this year because he struggled with injuries over the first half and as he got back to health in the latter stages, the team was having one of their best seasons ever playing as they were with his making the most of his minutes off the bench. If he only plays mop up minutes next season, it will be something to worry about, but for now it made sense that BVB didn't want to upset the apple cart in the home stretch and when he did get minutes, Gio did well with them. I would have liked to see him on the field more, but few teams like to mess around with a successful lineup and BVB took it to the last day. Sure, they blew the chance for the title, but hard to say they took the wrong approach when it all came down to needing just a tie against a mid-table team in the final game.

    Next year, he needs to see more time, especially if he's healthy for most of it, but this year was understandable. And remember, Pulisic, our best player and Champion's League winner, was not an every game locked starter at BVB either. If Reyna does make it to that level next year, he will have done more than our best player did in his time in Germany. Pulisic's time there was similarly filled with injuries and sub appearances. He played 129 games at BVB and got 19 goals while Gio has 25 in 123 games with about 2,000 fewer minutes. Gio also plays further back than Pulisic did and has to defend more. And yet, most were impressed with Pulisic's time in Germany, and it got him a move to one of the top teams in the world. I hoped for more minutes for Gio this season, but in the end he did well when he was on the field and hopefully, he can go into next season in full health and make his mark with more minutes.
     
  9. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    This is the sort of rational balanced take that actively infuriates agenda driven shitposters.But you already knew that didn't you?WHY DO YOU HATE OUR FREEDOMS?
    :D
     
  10. KALM

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    Oct 6, 2006
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    Are you positive about this? It might be true, but I recall that Pulisic played a decent amount of wingback at Dortmund, which would have had a fair amount of defensive responsibilities as well.

    Also, I don't think I disagree with you about the similarities between each player's appearances and production. But just for context, here are each player's BL(+CL) stats during each of their 4 seasons at the club:

    Pulisic (age 17): 4 starts and 9 appearances in 2nd half of 15/16 season; 2 goals, 0 assists
    Reyna (age 17): 2 starts and 15(+2) appearances in 2nd half of 19/20 season; 0 goals, 1(+1) assist

    Pulisic (age 17-18): 15(+6) starts and 29(+10) appearances in 16/17 season; 3(+1) goals, 7(+2) assists
    Reyna (age 17-18): 23(+4) starts and 32(+8) appearances in 20/21 season; 4 goals, 5(+1) assists

    Pulisic (age 18-19): 27(+4) starts and 32(+5) appearances in 17/18 season; 4 goals, 5 assists
    Reyna (age 18-19): 6 starts and 10 appearances in 21/22 season; 2 goals, 1 assist

    Pulisic (age 19-20): 9(+5) starts and 20(+7) appearances in 18/19 season; 4(+1) goals, 4 assists
    Reyna (age 19-20): 4(+3) starts and 22(+6) appearances in 22/23 season; 7 goals, 2(+2) assists

    They do look pretty similar over that period, but one difference is Pulisic gradually built up to more playing time over the course of 3 seasons, while then having a setback in his final season around the time his transfer to Chelsea was announced. Based on his trajectory, his transfer to Chelsea felt like a natural progression at around the same age that Reyna is today.

    Reyna by comparison got a lot of playing time in his 2nd season (and first full season) at the club, but then had major setbacks in playing time for the two seasons following that. For that reason, a transfer to a major CL title contender wouldn't make as much sense at this point in time, again right around the same time Pulisic transferred to Chelsea.
     
  11. Bajoro

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    I want to rep this multiple times but BigSoccer won't let me.
     
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  12. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Entirely possible. I remember him mostly playing as an attacking wing at Dortmund with Reyna having some time pushed high but mostly playing a two-way midfield role. I thought Pulisic's wingback minutes were more at Chelsea but I can't say I recall exactly where he played his whole time in Germany, my memory is not what it once was. Either way, Pulisic's time at BVB and Gio's time at BVB are more similar than different as far as impact and effectiveness, which is a really good sing for Gio in my estimation considering how well Pulisic has done for the US.
     
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  13. a_new_fan

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    Jul 6, 2006
    Are u Greg or just Greg’s other brother?

    it had something to do with it or the reynas wouldn’t have been blowing up peoples phone.
     
  14. 50/50 Ball

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    The Reynas being wierdos doesn't have anything to do with Gregg's age 19 behavior. They didn't care either about it as they spent decades being besties with him and his wife and kids.
     
  15. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

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    I'm telling you, by 2024 it's going to be the Donovan vs. Dempsey thing again, with the fan base split right in the middle, and things are going to get violent (with the fan base, Gio and Puli will be ok with each other).

    Blame human nature.
     
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  16. xbhaskarx

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    Well said!
     
  17. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    I never understood the argument with that. It always seemed so clear to me, if fundamentally different. Donovan was basically our Gretzky, Dempsey was more like our Ovechkin or Jaromir Jagr type.

    Both were uniquely special talents, but the way they played and impacted the team were fundamentally different, just like their personalities and temperaments. I mean its right there. Dempsey's a Texan, Donovan's a SoCal.

    They were both incredibly special, but just very different, and the shirt is the shirt. You can prefer whomever you like, they both left their autograph on multiple World Cups in unique ways and both teams would have been far, far lesser w/o either of them (and showed it).
     
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  18. russ

    russ Member+

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    Nah,it'll be Balogun's team by then.
    [ducks chairs]
     
  19. MPNumber9

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    Donovan was better than Dempsey, hands down. They just became avatars of the "Europe vs. MLS" debate and people took up sides accordingly (although typically Dempsey/Euro fans had an antipathy for Donovan/MLS that wasn't really reciprocated).

    I don't see the same happening with Gio and Pulisic, because you don't have that political animus behind it. Unless Pulisic comes back to MLS to play LW for the Galaxy, of course..........
     
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  20. NietzscheIsDead

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    I think that Pulisic is the team's de facto leader for the foreseeable future.
     
  21. NietzscheIsDead

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    Dempsey's World Cup performances, his deep national team resume, his statistical performance, and contributing so many pivotal plays (goals v Ghana, goal v Portugal, goal v Spain, etc, etc) make him an all-time performer. Maybe the best.
     
  22. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    I'm pretty sure to positive it's Tyler Adams.

    I think Pulisic is the marketing arm guy, and he carries a de facto leadership role because he's been a star player in the program for 7 years. Pretty much everyone else that could contend for that secondary position has only been a part of the program since '18-'19 (Technically McKennie snuck a cap in against Portugal in that feel good friendly from November '17 after Couva).

    I've just seen a crap ton of evidence that basically Adams is the captain, behind closed doors, he carries that leader weight and Pulisic is more a secondary leader, he's much quieter, softer spoken, but deeply respected because he's been doing it in the shirt since '16, and doing it in Europe since '16-'17 which for most of the guys is 2-4 years longer than any of them.
     
  23. MPNumber9

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    It's a fun debate, but I don't want to derail the thread any further from it's proper topic: Berhalter's marriage.
     
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  24. NietzscheIsDead

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    I think the best way to describe it is that Tyler is the hard ass in the locker room but Christian is the guy that they all want to be.
     
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  25. a_new_fan

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    Jul 6, 2006
    pulisic couldn't be further from being a leader

    he sells the most jersey's and desperately wants to be the guy but he isn't
     

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