This is exactly what I've been wondering, and why I think it might be a good idea for Maximo to go to some more Argentina camps.
What? That's not an attitude problem. Is it hard to understand how different what you just describe is than a player who quite definitively did not give it their all?
The difference is AC feels like they have been treated well by the AFA. For whatever reason Carrizo has always been a bit of an afterthought in USA soccer circles. He doesn’t get much hype from American media despite being the youngest player ever on an MLS contract, a record I thought would never be broken. He hasn’t been invited to participate in the U17s for the USA, thought Argentina has brought him in. Then in this camp he’s relegated to a secondary role out of position. Again, to me, that doesn’t seem like the best use of the resources available during this cup. Maybe they thought only Carrizo of the 3 could do the job on the wing, but then why wouldn’t you give him more time with the better group of players? In the end you’re going to go where you’re valued. I don’t think it’s too off base to say the USYNTs have communicated through their choices that they don’t value him. (Of course the real conversations between player and coach and the program are different and we aren’t privy to those.) I don’t think ranting about it on Twitter is a good idea, or putting down other players is a good look. To me though it costs nothing to give a kid a chance and show that you value him.
Yes, Tyler does have a attitude problems. Tyler wants to fight everyone, that's why he soo good at defenting in the number 6. No one at that age has the attitude cavan sullivan has besides Gio.
I'm sure Argentina has a surplus of 10s in each age group. Maybe they give Maximo PT there. Hard to say. I haven't seen any accounts of what transpired when he got the callup to their U17s. I would be surprised if he was the 10 on a squad he was playing up two years on. Especially given the way Argentina seems geared to produce 10s, many of whom get shifted to other positons. A neutral observer should be forgiven for wondering why there was no parental grumbling if (as seems probable) during the Argentina camp Maximo had to scrap for PT at positions other than the 10.
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about reyna. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes.
And this is where I think people are a bit crazy. Let's evaluate these choices. US Soccer has little to no control over the media. The vast majority of reporting on 14 year olds is done by twitter prospect hounds. If someone like Cavan Sullivan has had an article on them and Carrizo has not, I'd look first at Quinn Sullivan, Brendan Sullivan and Union versus whatever NYCFC is doing. Because that's going to come from their pro team. I get you are crazy into this kid, but US Soccer should not be putting out PR effort into Maximo Carrizo. He was clearly getting bullied against U16s; why would he get called in for a year older? Argentina didn't even call him in for a competitive camp; I think it was just a friendly thing. By the time the Carrizos were complaining, we were in qualifying mode. This isn't "they don't value him" -- it's "US Soccer doesn't give him the special treatment his dad thinks he deserves." Well, for one, getting played on the wing isn't an insult. It's just amazing to me that this is your mentality -- being asked to move to a very similar attacking position (and one that probably hides your size issues better) for your national team is not in the least bit an insult. And how is this "not valuing." It's that you and the Carrizos seem to expect special treatment because you view him as a better prospect than the other 10s on the roster. But he's not a better player now. There's nothing to see that. Morales was actually pretty good -- one of the better players on our team. Honestly, if you can't take just a minor one for the team at age 15, on your first time with the group, on a quick friendly trip to Japan ... I don't have a lot of hope you won't be an issue forever. Have we learned nothing from Freddy Adu? I'm honestly surprised that an adult wants to enable this so much. Is this how you act in real life?
Tyler doesn't have attitude problems. Tyler is a strong leader who can demand things of people and has fire. But no one has an issue with that. There's not one big bucket of personality attributes that are all the same, so let me be really clear. The issue that people have with Reyna is that he sulked and stopped trying when he didn't get exactly what he wanted. He put himself over the team, and to a level that actually hurt the team's chances. Tyler yelling at an out of position teammate, or someone not giving their all might ruffle some feathers, but it's in the name of getting the most out of people and the team performing their best. Not playing hard really isn't acceptable. And no one likes the dude who seems to be unhappy the team won because he didn't get to be the hero. If Gio got his bad news and got pissed and went out like a cannonball all over the field trying to win his spot back -- which is what Tyler would do -- no one would have an issue here.
The way Argentina produces 10s or creative players in general... it's going to be a very hard haul to even make the senior team, let alone as a CAM. Hell, they didn't even play with a CAM in this World Cup. Both Messi and Di Maria are Argentinian 10s who have played much or almost all of their careers as a wing or forward. There's no parental grumping because as much as people try to make it an aggrieved father, you have to note that both times he's complained, there's been a threat in there. This isn't someone whining -- it's someone trying to push other people around.
I get that you're trying to create a narrative that isn't true, and that you have an unreasonable dislike for this kid, so this isn't for your benefit but anyone else who may read it. Carrizo was in no way bullied, you're full of it. He had 2 bad dribbles in the first 10 minutes trying to cut in from the LW against NED. He never plays LW, these were not great decisions. Other than those two mistakes, he was not in any way shape or form bullied. He got fouled multiple times, holding off bigger defenders. He dribbled past three guys (in a chaotic way, but still got through) and set up Petrie for a shot in the first half. Once he switched to RW, he more than held his own, as the youngest guy on the field out of his normal position. Against Nigeria he was on the RW again and when he could get the ball from Santiago and Torres was consistently dangerous. I didn't catch Nigeria getting the ball off him once. His only real mistakes were mistiming a couple runs and getting caught offside. You're trying to create a narrative that he's smaller and weaker than he actually is. You're only seeing what you want to see. If he was so physically weak or small, he wouldn't be able to hack it in MLS Next Pro. This is astoundingly naive, but ok. You think there's not machinations behind the scenes to pump up certain guys? Anyway, NYCFC's PR team seems to mostly wish that people would forget they exist. It's a weird approach and may be a factor here. If size is the issue why did they play Axel Perez solely as a 10? Your arguments lack internal consistency. I think you didn't watch much of these games and are basing judgments on highlights, the first 5 or 6 minutes, or something like that. As a coach working with a brand new group of players it just seems natural to me to try to give each player a chance in their strongest position if I had the ability to do so. 3 games was ample opportunity. You're trying to find reasons to pick this kid apart. That's psychotic.
I don't think size is the issue until he plays for the first team. Carrizo is 5'3 which is not very tall for a soccer player. Soccer players wanna be at least 5'7 The issue with him is that he needs to learn to play as an LW or RW because not many teams or nations play with a 10. Gio is also a 10 but can play as an LW or RW and does not look lost.
He was also a colossal -------, and at times a horrific teammate. People forgive it all because of the championships. The A's and Yanks of the seventies and eighties had lots of jerks, so did the cowboys in the nineties. Lots and lots of teams in general. The whole mental make up piece is really complicated at this level and with generations so fundamentally different from one another in temperament and perspective about things: Gex X vs Millennials vs Gen Z. We have ideals and you definitely argue for them and I respect that, but we know athletes and the sports world are littered with all manner of personalities and work ethics. Beggars can't always be choosers. This whole thing is much more complicated than entitled dad's, and spoiled teens and what not.
I don't have an unreasonable dislike for the kid. I only watched the Netherlands game in detail, but he was anonymous and I saw him get bullied a few times. None of this is really about my view of him as a long term player. I'll admit that I haven't seen a ton of him, but so let me say it clearer. I saw nothing in that game to make me think he should have been on the U17 CONCACAF Championship team in that game. And for a player to play up basically 2+ years, I expect them to pop off the screen like Pulisic. For the U17s or younger? US Soccer PR is worried about the Women's World Cup and Folarin Balogun and whomever we select as head coach. I think you are on twitter way too much to realize that virtually no one actually gives a crap about U17 or U16 soccer. The Federation has turned over a bunch of leadership, is running a massive deficit, has to hire a new head coach, has a Women's World Cup, is bidding for the next WWC, and has to do setup for 2026. Do you really think someone is in charge of hyping up 15 year olds? No. Who is even getting pumped up? I think Perez outplayed Carrizo by a hair. And my size commentary was less about that game and more about why would a player like Carrizo be so upset about playing the wing when there's a super good chance he has to / is asked to move their by a future employer? But does it matter? Maybe the coach is just wrong in his rotations. Maybe he should have started even over Morales, who scored two goals. Maybe he should have done the rotation you said. Maybe that's a better idea. Maybe he even, gasp, has a bit of seniority bias and wanted to make the kid prove it or earn it. It's still an absurdly low level of adversity for a young player to face. It doesn't justify public whining, or in this case, threatening to take you ball and go home. He's an underage player asked to play slightly out of position (in a position he will almost certainly have to play at one point) for his national team. Hell, how do you think he fits back in on a team where daddy basically insulted all the other players on it? It's an absurd response by a father for a player who has proven nothing. And don't give me academy stuff or MLS NP stuff. No one should be this entitled before they've even played above what is a pretty poor U23 league. Is this grumpy old man of me? Of course, but all his dad is teaching him is entitlement. That if he has to do the slightest thing he doesn't want, or if people don't kowtow to his every desire, or if he's asked to do something for the team, he should whine and rant and take his ball home. I'm mostly picking on his dad, and worried that like Gio, the lessons his parents teach him translate. I'm hardly psychotic. I just think it is baffling that you paint this as some kind of snub worthy of any response at all, let alone a public one with implicit threats. Who complains about getting moved to the wing for a camp? After a free trip to Japan? The idea that losing two weeks of time with NYCFC is just debilitating is just silly as well. It's very clear to me that the dad is more than just upset about this. It's not a case of an emotional father tweeting when he shouldn't. He's threatening for the second time. He posts negative things about other players. He's playing a game, and he knows damn well what he's doing. I have nothing against Maximo and I hope he's as good as you say, even if he plays for Argentina. I don't like his father at all, and I don't think he's doing his son any favors. I think it is absurd, as some have (not you) to paint this kind of behavior as necessary or even productive in instilling a killer instinct or talent. I have no idea why the immediate response to not getting the tiniest thing you want is not to work harder and get better but to whine and threaten to walk. Or why anyone thinks this is a good lesson to teach a 15 year old. He can get away with that if he's Messi, but he's not (and Messi certainly never did that). Heck, he's probably not even Gio Reyna. Who's also not starting and usually not playing his preferred position. I'd honestly have stopped this now if you didn't keep trying to portray this as a totally reasonable response by his father, even to the point of sucking up to him on twitter. It honestly blows my mind that people think this is appropriate just because his son is talented. I'll stop now, because we're just looping. But one of the reasons I reacted this way is that I consider you a very rational poster and your reaction surprises the hell out of me.
Via his play with Dortmund. He played in 7 games leading up to the WC after coming off his injury. He alternated coming off the bench and starting. He scored two goals in less 3 games worth of minutes (one a PK if I remember). He looked great in those games. The coach ********ed up.
What seems fake about it. These morons keep projecting their middle class white values on to the USMNT. This whole culture US Soccer has been pushing has distracted many from the most important things is what happens on the field. The arrogance of a small group of people that think they can define the culture of USMNT is probably very alienating to many in this country. I doubt many top athletes in any sport would fit well in what they claim they are trying to do, The way some of these fans turn on people for the stupidest reasons is disgusting. I cant stand Berhalter, but it doesn't reach the feelings this place has for Klinsmann and Kleibans. Then you have papa Reyna and Carrizmo look to heading for that top level of hate.
I feel like there’s a lot of hyping up of a 15 year old kid because he was invited to a single camp with Argentina. And resultant hand wringing. For one the kid is 15 and there’s still a good chance he washes out (as there is with any 15 year old player). There’s also no guarantee he ever gets called up for Argentina again. I thought my impression was the lesson of Reyna situation was that we shouldn’t enable this sort of behavior or entitlement from the parents of players. And yet there are some who seem willing to excuse. And I don’t blame the player either. He’s 15. Continue to monitor him and call him up if he warrants it. Up to him if he wants to accept or not.
Okay I know this is a meme, now I get it. There is no human alive who earnestly thinks like this and is not attempting to troll. I will continue to appreciate these bizarre statements. I applaud the ability to say absolutely nothing of substance on the topic but bringing up ~4 completely unrelated topics.
There are plenty who think like this and everything in my post is connected to this situation and how posters act. I didn't condone what the Reyna's did, but don't really care. I couldn't care less what Carrizo tweeted. I think the majority of the people on this site suck and nobody should listed to their views on soccer.
I can't believe that people are still mad at Reyna for what he did. I'm talking about people who are not connected to this.
It’s not about being mad at Reyna, it’s about not enabling the same sort of behavior (which started when Reyna was a youth player btw).