Christ sake, just let the man go and enjoy his international career. If this happens in August it will be a clusterf*ck of Chelsea proportions.
Yeah he's done wonders cultivating the talent of Tchoumeni and instilling much-needed self-confidence in him after his WC tragedy. Rewarding Rudiger's performances by letting him rot on the bench in favor of playing his vet. favorite Alaba? Developing Camavinga into a beastly CM? Lol. Giving chances to Alvaro who has more goals and assists than Mariano and Hazard combined, check! But yeah give him sole credit for "developing" Vini because he was the only coach that believed in him Truth is, if Hazard was fit or half the player he was at Chelsea, Carlo wouldn't give Vini a sniff. When the only forwards on the squad are Benz, Vini and Rodrygo, guess who's going to play? Doesn't take an astrophysicist to get that one right. Conversely, when you have vets in midfield and defense, guess who's getting chances regardless of performance/form/fitness? Hint: it ain't the guys that require development.
Ancelotti is one of the best coaches in the history of the sport, and you have Real Madrid fans saying he can't coach. Don't be upset when people don't give the team credit for winning ("why do they always talk about Guardiola and Barca and not about us?") when you discredit our own success that much. Ancelotti took over a team that Zidane himself said had nothing more to give and needed a new impulse, and he took them all the way to the top.
Carlo won trophies as Real Madrid coach before Zidane even had a coaching license. Point still stands.
Where is the lie? Are we going to sit here and say Ancelotti, who won everywhere he's been is not one of the best ever? That other man thought he was clever posting "when Ancelotti has to gameplan and coach". Carlo returned to a team many people considered washed up and finished and took them to the top again. If people don't appreciate Madrid's success, it's partially due to how insufferable the people that support the club can be.
Mourinho is also one of the best ever, and youre saying he can't coach. And I actually agree. So whats the issue here?
When did I say he can't coach? I said he hasn't been successful for almost a decade now, but which is a fact. Since the last time Mourinho has been in a CL semi final, Carlo has won the trophy multiple times. Carlo also ranks above Mourinho in terms of body of work. Sustained success is never a coincidence. If anybody would know that, it's people that follow this club.
No need to squirm now, you said Mourinho hasn't been successful because he's lost his edge and the game has bypassed him. So don't omit that part. The same applies to Carlo, its just less obvious. You know it even from his Bayern days and method there. Hes a good short term manager but not the type to install a philosophy. That Carlo is having a sustained success compared to Mourinho is a bit of a stretch, he came from bad spells at Everton and Napoli and last season won the league against a shambles of a rival and the CL with the help of divine intervention. Lets not disregard context and twist facts for them to suit our argument. We're not talking about Carlo's resume, but whether his *current* profile is adequate for him to oversee this new chapter (if Modric leaves in addition to Benzema, theres no other way to call it). Personally, I'd rather have someone who has more in his bag than "let them cook". There's a reason why Carlo ball is historically ineffective for a league campaign.
How had a coach that won the CL just last season lost his edge? You know something is wrong when people almost consider winning the CL the bare minimum when others spend billions and wait an entire decade to win one. What are we doing here? "See this guy that hasn't won in over 10 years? Carlo is just like that." How? I'm not even saying he's cutting edge, but the amount of better guys you can count on one hand, and the amount of worse guys you would need a new hard drive with enough space to compile into.
The only one that is bitter here is you. You are talking as if last season was a perfect season. No, not all fans think we should win a CL every year, we faced a team in the CL semi that has a maybe more total quality than our current team, but not by much (IMHO), but mostly they are just better coached. losing by 4 goals is not a lost, but shows the differences between a team that has a system and one that relies on individual brilliance. The same goes for La Liga, you can't tell me that Barca have more quality than the current real madrid squad, yet, we ********ed up in so many games and Carlo will still not change a god damn thing. He's a good coach, but outdated and without a plan.
It's a collaborative effort. Did we put Carlo in the best possible position to achieve our goals, and if not, why do we demand that from him? If he's the one who's to blame for defeat, he gets credit when we win. Only that he doesn't really and to me he feels like a gigantic scapegoat. I think the titles that we lost, we lost to two arguably better teams suited to win the competitions. People want a coach that makes adjustments when things aren't going well but then you end up with a guy like Lopetegui who didn't start the same team twice in a row for 7 months straight and looked like he didn't really know what he wants.
Carlo is an excellent coach, but this league campaign was a shambles. If you remember when we beat Barca early in the season, we had a chance to really put the hurt on them because they had a tough series of games right after. Instead we threw away silly points vs Rayo and Girona and let them close the gap on us instead of opening it up further, and then we had a terrible start to the post World Cup campaign which effectively ended the league. The squad has weaknesses in it but we should be challenging Barca for the league far better than that. That’s ultimately on Carlo I’m afraid.
Not just the league.. Carlo threw away the CL. Home tie he didn't make defensive subs when he was trying to see out a 1-0 result. Away tie he sends us out to be overpowered in midfield leading to QB easy drubbing.
Uh, I think it was the other way around. Zidane inherited Carlo's 433///BBC, difference is that in 14/15 Carlo got stuck with a team that had no DM after Casemiro and Xabi were sold to make room for Kroos and James.
No coach in real Madrid, not even Mourinho, had total control over the club and team when it comes to buying players. It's just not how Perez operates (not that I think it's good). And what "people" want is someone that can make some adjustments. You're very good at bringing extreme examples like lopetegui, how about someone who's between Carlo and lopetegui?
Sometimes I wish the folks here would get their wish of another coach then cry about why did Zizou or Carlo leave us?!?!?! But whhhhyyyy Dude ain’t perfect but shit could be oh so much worse.
Carlo fcked up big time this season and to be honest, if a better candidate was available, I'd be all for moving on. But a part of me is excited to see him get a 3rd season in Madrid (something he didn't get last time). Hope he learns from his mistakes and we win back La Liga/Copa Del Rey.
Even with his screw ups I still keep Ancelotti. I just think if we're going to be objective we have to point out his mistakes not just paint everything black or white.
I never understood this availability issue. Apart from Barca affiliated c*nts (Guardiola, Arteta, Luis Enrique), every coach out there should practically be available. I mean Ancelotti is technically not available, but that isn't stopping the Brazilians to go after him.
Really good coaches were/are available this summer. The club didn’t want anyone and are trusting Carlo.
Carlo celebrates today his Birthday. Could be amazing gift from the players to win for him today the Final.