Bundesliga and the rest: Domestic and European competition discussion

Kimmich and Goretzka as starters of Bayern shows the decrease in quality of our midfield…
Thiago shielded their limitation and made them looked great…after he left Bayern midfield mostly in shambles against tough opposition in champions league

 

Goretzka is a decent midfielder, but everyone started overhyping him because he bulked up. Kimmich comes across as a spoiled brat, always on the verge of throwing a tantrum.

 

🚨 Manchester City's İlkay Gündoğan could still return to Dortmund this summer as Barcelona cannot afford to pay his wages.

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— Transfer News Live (@DeadlineDayLive) June 6, 2023

This would be a fantastic move for Dortmund, if there is any chance Kehl should push for it.

 

I dont think the Bayern pairing are average I think they are used poorly at Bayern and in the NT. Neither of them is a good defensive midfielder / destroyer. Kimmich has great vision, passing game and control, Goretzka is a good box to box midfielder who can provide support at both ends. But neither of them can defend well. Bayern midfield (and the NT) simply lack balance, we just have way too many players of the same type and they all seem can only really play in their proffered position and look average when played in different roles.

Bayern can fix this issue by buying the needed players (I really hope its not 100 mil for Rice), but you cant do that in the national team so I can see why Flick is willing to try the 3 CBs again (but i dont really like that option)

 

We saw in recent matches that the NT looks better with a proper 6, which I would guess will be the same with Bayern. Neither Kimmich or Goretzka are disciplined enough for that role, and in any case it doesn't play to their strengths.

Playing 3 CB's does not fix the issue, we saw during the Euro 20/21 cycle how unbalanced it makes the team. Flick just needs to bite the bullet and permanently replace Goretzka with Can between now and the Euros. We don't have space for a Kimmich - Goretzka partnership if we want a balanced team. At Bayern they play a lot more matches so I guess more rotation will happen, but even so there are a number of rumours LG could lose his spot and even be sold.

 

For most Bundesliga games Bayern don't need a DM as the opponent is defending deep. So Bayern can play as many as 6 attacking players, sometimes Naggelsman even tried with 7 attacking players. Its in the tough games that we need a DM which is like 8 games a year

The NT does not have the talent superiority over other NTs so the need for a DM is more pronounced

 

that's not even accurate we still dominate almost all the matches in the NT. Just finishing is what kills us. At the WC, we should have beaten both Japan and Spain, no problem.

the need for DM is more true because of the way we play and leaving tons of openings for counters and because neither Kimmich nor Goretzka nor Gundo focus on D, which leaves the back wide open.

as for the Defense, I posted the stats that Flick never once had a consistent back 4 at any time sine he took over. Sule+Rudiger barely played together prior to the tourney. It was all over the place.

reality ALL of Germany's issues are self-created, including the made up BS about having no CF but more like not wanting to play one for false 9, LMAO.

 

Penglish players continue to flop in Germany
-Hudson-Odoi=HUGE flop on loan
-Osei-Tutu=on Bochum's axing list aka to sell him
https://www.ligainsider.de/jordi-os...beitet-an-verkauf-von-jordi-osei-tutu-338888/
-Buchanan=Flop and might leave

Laut @reluctantnicko soll der englische Zweitligist Coventry City wie im letzten Sommer Interesse an Lee Buchanan haben.

Der 22-Jährige, der diese Saison 23 Pflichtspiele für den SVW absolvierte, hat noch Vertrag bis 2026 in Bremen.

— worum.org (@worum_org) June 4, 2023

-Kenny=flop, was one of worst RBs in 1BL last season with Hertha. Looks to be leaving Germany over 2BL
-Ofxord=terrible CB who shouldn't be XI in any 1BL club. Spend entire season injured too
-Bennets=Darmstadt got promoted to 1BL.....he's NOT going with them, clubless
-Amaechi=HUGE HSV Flop, now moved to 2BL Magdeburg with ex coach Titz hoping to revive his nothing career

then you have successful Bellingham who is bailing in Summer.

we could be headed to injury prone Gittens being the only 1BL Penglish player next season.

 

hahahaha, Simon Rolfes shits on German youth only for their foreign youth who had a 1 year and a half loan to 2BL FCN now loan is axed after half a year and he's back at Bayer.

🤝 Aus Nürnberg zurück unters Bayer-Kreuz: #Bayer04 holt den bisher verliehenen Gustavo #Puerta vorzeitig nach Leverkusen und aktiviert damit das Rückholrecht.

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— Bayer 04 Leverkusen (@bayer04fussball) June 6, 2023

 

We still had enough chances to have scored 3 or 4. So in reality it was a mixture of both the attack and defence not doing enough. We do at least always create chances tbf.

I agree the defending wasn’t great for either goal but the team was wide open, if you are worried about defensive errors then the midfield needs to protect the defence. Without a proper 6 that is harder to do. Can isn’t perfect but he has been effective in that role and should be used there. We should also be looking at other options there such as Dorsch, Andrich, Weigl or Stach.

The team will not defend better with a back 3 and no proper 6. Tuchel recognises this and is therefore targeting Rice rather then just planning a formation change, if Flick doesn’t see it we will go out early again next summer.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...anting-ball-shock-World-Cup-defeat-Japan.html

Pretty much spot on. Once the Japanese started to attack, alot of the players shrunk like rabbits in head lights.

 

Agree. Even city use Rodri as a proper CDM regardless of their domination of possession. This allows Gundo, debryune to play without fear.

 

LMAO

Augsburg are interested in signing Mathys Tel on loan from Bayern [@SPORTBILD] pic.twitter.com/Rhjt78bmbM

— Bayern & Germany (@iMiaSanMia) June 6, 2023

 

confirmed Arminia Bielefeld 2 back to back relegation, YIKES, next season in 3rd Liga.

getting destroyed 6-1 on aggregate vs 3rd Liga 3rd place.
Imagine both playoffs 1BL vs 2BL and 2BL vs 3rd Liga ended up 6-1.....

eh who cares about AB
-Hack is looking like Gladbach transfer
-Jakel is only on loan
-Consbruch looks to have relegation clause of sorts and has interest from clubs
-Serra for sure has interest
-relegation might allow for GK Schulz to become #1 so he could take advantage of it.

rest of the 1st team squad=who cares.

 

Gundos versatility been incredible at city. Played 6,8,10 roles with distinction. Clarity is key, and less tinkering is key. Hansi has yet to settle in to a settled formation which is a concern with lack of competitive game time leading to the Euros.

 

You wouldnt, but thats the trap we keep falling into. We have all this talent in front of the ball that we feel the need to play them all and neglect protecting our defense. All teams need to do against us is defend deep and counter attack thats why we keep leaking goals even against the "weaker teams".

I agree, but the 6 needs to be a good passer for this to work well. I am not so sure we have many of those at the moment

Not so sure Bayern could just steam roll teams in the league anymore (not with the current team anyways), again all you have to do against Bayern is defend deep and counter attack and you will score a goal or 2 and that almost cost us the title and knocked us out of the CL.

In my opinion the problem for Bayern and the NT is almost identical.. Lack of protection for the defense.

 

Yes Can lacks vision for that killer pass. For me its Kimmich and Gündogan but Kimmich will have to learn to defend better and be more disciplined.

we really miss is a defender like Hummels who had a top class passing game, and Neuer at his peak was like an extra player on the field with his world class distribution.

No matter which way you look at it this generation lacks quality in the defensive positions, and because we are poor at converting our chances when we get them we are getting eliminated early and losing games that we should win. We have to fix one of these 2 issues otherwise its more of the same I am afraid

 

the so called best Leipzig Academy youth (LOL if anyone actually believes the propaganda) flops on Swiss 1st Basel loan that was supposed to last until Summer 2024. They are axing the loan and gonna reloan him somewhere else. Spanish players in Germany continue to mostly amount to nothing too.

Der @FCBasel1893 und RB Leipzig haben sich einvernehmlich darauf verständigt, die Leihe des Offensivspielers Hugo Novoa nach der soeben zu Ende gegangenen Saison zu beenden.

Bei RB Leipzig gilt sein Vertrag noch bis Juni 2025 und soll nun im Sommer erneut verliehen werden. pic.twitter.com/CFdrD8rL0V

— RB Leipzig (@RBLeipzig) June 7, 2023

 

are we headed towards a Frenchie exodus???
-Pavard and Hernandez seem heavily linked OUT of Germany
-Nkunku moving to Chelksi have fun with no Europe
-Thuram seems to be leaving Germany, strongly linked with PSG
-Plea who did better as an assister than scorer linked out of Gladbach
-Muani (has Bayern interest and that's likely only club in Germany he would transfer too), Diaby, Kone, Simakan, Ndicka (confirmed leaving Frankfurt) all heavily linked OUT of Germany
-Coulibaly is confirmed leaving Stuttgart free transfer
-Modeste, Coulibaly and Kamara all seem to be leaving Dortmund, none looking to pan out
-Tousart and Nsona got relegated to 2BL with Hertha. Believe Tousart might leave Germany too
-Schmid leaving Freiburg, didn't do anything all season
-Guilavogui leaving Wolfsburg
-Kolodziejczak leaving Schalke, didn't do anything all season
-Cozza, Cardona, Ngoumou, Mbuku, Doucoure didn't do anything all season. Whether they leave, loan dump or more chances who knows.
-Losilla at Bochum turns 38 y/o next season

its seems like entire Gladbach French and entire Dortmund French contingents might bail in Summer.