Ukraine vs Russia III

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  1. The Irish Rover

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    Everything - and I do mean everything - https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki posts is well worth reading.

    Helpfully, he's pinned a "thread of threads" with his most important pieces to the top of his page.



    Check out thread #2 and #14 for insight into just how dysfunctionally corrupt and abusive the Russian army was, even before the war
     
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  2. The Irish Rover

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    So good of Russia to take out America's trash for it. :cool:

    More seriously, she thinks she's like Snowden in that she's going to be rewarded for services rendered, and she will. The difference is that Snowden's services were very valuable propaganda for Russia. Hers OTOH . . . Her rewards are going to be a LOT more meagre than his.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see her crawling back to America with some sob story in 3-4 years.
     
  3. The Irish Rover

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    #478 The Irish Rover, Jun 3, 2023
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    Highly unlikely the minefields have been laid in that photo - there's zero soil disturbance for a start.

    Even if they are in other areas - and there are a hell of a lot of areas where they unquestionably haven't - there are no anti-tank ditches, no berms or even barbed wire in front. Neither are there trenches, bunkers, foxholes, etc. behind.

    Dragon's teeth are part, and only a part, of a layered defence. You need to have every single layer set up and set up well, for them to have a real impact and then you have to to have the soldiers (trained soldiers, please) to man those defences. If you don't, all you've got is a row of speed bumps. A row of speed bumps slows a car down from 60 mph to, say, 30 mph - before it gets back up to speed again. The car doesn't actually stop.

    As for the dragon's teeth themselves, they're too far apart and too small to be useful. And that's before you get to the elephant in the room: they're laid in nice neat rows but embedded in absolutely nothing.

    By contrast, the Germans spent 1944 rebuilding the Siegfried line with lots of dragons' teeth, all of them embedded in 1+ metres of concrete. Even then, the US, British and Canadian armies just laid down tons of artillery to cover the sappers while they cleared the minefields. Then the armoured bulldozers went in and piled earth on top of the teeth, so that the tanks could drive right over them and attack the infantry positions behind. Once they were cleared, the engineers piled up more earth, stones and gravel so that the trucks with infantry, fuel, ammunition and supplies could drive over.
     
  4. The Irish Rover

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    Shouldn't we call them copelerone? :whistling:

    OK. I'll show myself out
     
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  5. waitforit

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    SMH my head

     
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  6. The Irish Rover

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    First, it's a landing ship, and a landing craft is not a "large ship" or anything like it.

    Second, it changes nothing. A landing craft is incapable of attacking anything on its own: in fact it's incapable of operating on its own, period.

    Third, in case you hadn't noticed, this is a land war. The navies are next to irrelevant.

    I'd say that the prospect of Ukraine launching more naval drone attacks is far more relevant to the Russian navy's calculations than the loss of that vessel is to the Ukrainian navy's.
     
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  7. The Irish Rover

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    Hmm. Is this an example of "all great minds think alike" :thumbsup::thumbsup: or one of "fools seldom differ". :unsure::unsure:

    Enquiring minds - assuming there are any on BS - need to know.
     
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  8. The Irish Rover

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    #483 The Irish Rover, Jun 3, 2023
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    I hadn't seen this post before I made mine, but the Twitter video is very interesting.



    Dragon's teeth are most effective if they're fixed in 1-2 metres of concrete, but there are versions that are designed for simply scattering on the ground, in which case they're either very densely packed together in rows 6 or more deep or much, much larger than the usual versions. These are waay too small for that purpose.

    1663649943402295304 is not a valid tweet id
     
  9. The Irish Rover

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  10. Boandlkramer

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    Can the rest follow her? Please?
     
  11. Copelerones???
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Boandlkramer

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    Samma Weltmeister!
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    Annnd here’s a good listen

    Anne Applebaum: The Case for a Complete Ukrainian Victory | The Bulwark Podcast

     
  13. soccernutter

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    So, is being thrown out of a third floor window tertiusfenstration? @spejic do you know? ;)
     
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  14. spejic

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    I don't know. The police never used that word.
     
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    Christo's installations are really shit these days
     
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  16. The Irish Rover

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    Downtown Shebekino yesterday after Russian police and military have fled the city. Everything and everywhere is getting cleaned out: supermarkets, mobile phone shops, electronics shops, you name it.



    Plenty of looting in Ukrainian towns when the Ukrainian police legged it of course. Only it was Russian soldiers doing the looting, not Ukrainian civilians.

    An indicator of the differences in society and culture.
     
  17. Yoshou

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    Pro-Russia telegram is in full panic mode, pro-Ukrainian telegram has gone mostly silent….
     
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  18. usscouse

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    We used to play on those things as kids. There was a double line of them on 20 miles of beach from Liverpool to Southport with pillboxes among the dunes above them.
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Sacks is back to cheerleading for Russia. ha ha.

    Kofman commented recently on the artillery point that these guys tend to get wrong. Russia has basically been spending it's soviet legacy. All the stockpiles of kit was a one time use. So it raises the question of how Russia will reconstitute from its vastly weakened state. That will take a long long time, especially during a war with burn rate. The only structural advantage Russia has is manpower. On kit we know Ukraine will modernise with western kit. So actually the medium to long term view is not great for Russia

     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Imagine watching Russia take a year to capture Bakhmut then typing this

     
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  23. Haha, I still have my computer that has DOS/windows 3.1 in my attic. And about a 1000 floppy disks. I saw in Elementary the USA army still uses them. Gonna give them a call they can buy that pc with floppies for a reasonable price.
    Boy, were those things and that pc stupid expensive in those days.
     
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  24. Well, the oil producing countries are going to lower production, because the price has gone down from 115 summer last year to now 75$.
    What happened to the global south power?
     
  25. The Irish Rover

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    The Ukraine-affiliated Russians attacking Belgorod have advanced as deeply in 5 days as the Russian army did in 5 months around Bakhmut.

    Add in the breadth/width of these forces' advance(s), and they've taken far, far more territory.
     

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