England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    It's a tough break for Tammy, but with just 8 goals and 3 assists in 38 games for Roma this season, it's hard to imagine him being a worthwhile signing for any Premier team in need of a striker.
     
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  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Yet he was looking likely to return to the PL. There was talk of a swap with Scamacca and him coming to West Ham.
     
  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

     
  4. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Reports suggest Tammy would cost £30, which is a big outlay for the type of teams who you would expect to come in for him. If anyone could get him firing again, particularly after this ACL injury, then it would have to be a transformative manager like a De Zerbi or Emery, not Moyes or Dyche.
     
  5. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
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    He scored 27 the season before. He's no scrub.
     
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  6. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Granted. But there's a reason why none of the top sides here will be on the phone to his agent. Tammy is just a step down from being England class and, if you're a middle tier Premier team, you could be taking an expensive punt on a striker who may have already peaked.
     
  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Lots of players who haven’t had good seasons will be on the move this season. Including some English ones like Mount and Maguire.
     
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  8. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Mount and Maguire have proven themselves with England on the biggest stages though, so there's less jeopardy in buying them.
     
  9. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Any PL team? :ROFLMAO: Look at some of the players clubs bought last season. There is a massive dearth of options in that role all over Europe and Abraham’s profile is pretty much perfect for the league.
     
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  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    There is a global striker shortage. So many teams want the relatively few top level ones they are.
     
  11. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Struggling to see where Mount fits in at Old Trafford.
     
  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #2387 Fireburn47, Jun 5, 2023
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2023
    Apparently to replace Eriksen in their first choice line up. I don’t see it being a successful move and having already lost his first choice starting place under Southgate I’m not sure he will be called up if he is not playing much at club level. He is not of Maguire’s importance or unchallenged by any other options like Phillips. He could well be the only Euro final starter dropped from 2024 Euros squad despite being fit.
     
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  13. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Doesn't feel like that's a position he's going to thrive at.
     
  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Ten Hag wanted him at Ajax so must have a plan for him but it doesn’t feel like it’s as likely to succeed than if he went to Liverpool. He will need a good first few weeks and months to get called up for any of the autumn matches having missed March and June due to injury.
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    He won’t get a move now till next summer or January 2025. He won’t be back playing until at least p February or March but will take time to build up form and Roma might nog appreciate him leaving straight after a recovery period.
     
  16. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I assume that's from when he was at Vitesse. Happy to be proved wrong on this, but it feels an odd one.
     
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  17. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    There's a reason why he never gets considered by Gareth and the top clubs. Yes, teams may need strikers, but not ones like Tammy who need four chances just to score one. And for £30 million? You're right, it's laughable.
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    £30 million is quite cheap for a Homegrown player now a days.
     
  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It does. Would be somewhat surprising to many if he did fall from England consideration even through the warning signs have been there for a while.
     
  20. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Brentford spent £19 million on Keane Lewis-Potter and nobody bats an eyelid at his season as a squad player.

    Even if you don’t rate Abraham much at all he’s still doing a good job for a lower end PL team.
     
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  21. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    I think it's good to go abroad when young, learn new things, become more rounded etc - but when an established international then there is little point leaving the PL unless you have some deep desire to go elsewhere (like Latin players going to one of the La Liga giants) and most English players don't have that
     
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  22. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Just one more knobbled English centre forward

    Patrick Bamford
    Tammy Abraham
    Calvert Lewin
    Callum Wilson
    Danny Ings
    Andy Carroll

    Thank gawd for Ivan Toney …. Oh :(
     
  23. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Guess similar examples from other sports are Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson in NFL - video of Ray Rice beating his wife, and he never played again. Images of injuries inflicted by Adrian Peterson to a child by hitting him with a 'switch' to discipline him but he missed a season and then returned
     
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  24. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Apparently so United can replicate Ten Hag's successful Ajax formation with 2 roaming attacking 8s, 1 DM and a full back stepping into midfield to cover the 8s. Eriksen hasn't got the intensity to play this position which requires high pressing.
     
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  25. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Let's hope Mason makes a success of this role because I'd like to see him and England replicating it, with maybe John Stones (rather than the full back) stepping up to create the midfield overload.
     
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