American democracy health thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
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    I'm curious about the number of swastikas and/or confederate flags that will be present at the Dodgers' Nazi rally Christian Night.
     
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  2. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
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    Ghana
    I think you are splitting hairs on welfare mom. He seems to be using it as shorthand for people in welfare programs.
     
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  3. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    I don't think so, for two reasons:
    1 - Poor women who have kids - "welfare moms" - are a bogeyman for promiscuous women making poor choices. It goes hand in hand with poor women using abortion as birth control. It is a stereotype which continues to be perpetuated by Reps, certainly, but independents and some Dems as well.
    2 - If he meant what you said, he could have said that. But if that is what he means, he can clarify.
     
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  4. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I think it is more common for women to hold out the carrot of adoption to pay for their birthcare than it is for women to INTENTIONALLY use abortion as birth control.

    I have no stats on this.
     
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  5. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

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    I would ask why you think it's not shorthand then I saw you essay on the previous page..

    I couldn't be bothered to read all of it, just the last two paragraphs. But I don't think anyone is disagreeing with your point. It is just those on the right that view the social safety net as a problem.
     
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  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    reminder
     
  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    "These numbers include only attacks coded as terrorist, not mass shootings and the like." IOW, the actual threat is greater than this graph shows.


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    I wonder how much impact those 130 murders have with the general public? I think there's a broad consensus on this board that right wing terrorism is a real threat to our democracy. It moves the Overton Window, and it makes otherwise fascist-curious shit like book bannings seem mainstream.

    For myself, I won't put bumper stickers on my car because I don't want it vandalized. But it doesn't deter me from marches and such. Many on this board write as if the public square is some kind of Mad Max deal, but obviously that's a view I disagree with. But there is an increasing sense of menace in our politics.
     
  8. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
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    I again state that John Boehner, who has been rehabbed as a sane Republican threw a hissy fit when a study on right wing terrorism was released under Obama.
     
  9. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Near the mountains.
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    I agree with this that it is probably more likely, but the myth is that of abortion-as-birth-control. While that is certainly going to happen, and I do recall hearing some reporting on women who do (for specific reasons), it is also not a myth that abortion is emotionally difficult, and that it is often the option of last choice.
     
  10. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    It was intentionally long.

    I half disagree. It is not that they disagree with the social safety net, it is who that safety net helps. If it was only for White people, it would be more widely accepted (not entirely, due to classism). If this was a discussion of only White people, abortion would be less controversial, the ACA ("Obamacare") would not be questioned, and they may even be okay with higher taxes. But because of the structural racism that runs through every part of our society, and those on the right, they can't see the social safety net as anything but bad.
     
  11. NorcalHockeyhooligan

    Feb 25, 2012
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    Everton FC
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    United States
    The bolded is a main point in Heather McGhee’s book The Sum of Us. She uses the factual examples of public swimming pools. Because they are for “the public”, that includes Black Americans. So rather than share those pools, white folks instead drained the pools (and filled them in). Thus, whites would rather “do without” than share resources - especially if they have to share with people they view as undeserving.
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    Belgium
    Since the Trump 'triangulation', protecting social security is the top concern of MAGA voters. That is why Trump is attacking Ron on it.

    Indeed in Haley's townhall she articulated the Ryan era social security type spiel which is deeply unpopular - virtually no voters agree with it.

    As you guys have stated the disconnect is that the conservatives the world over created the idea of undeserving recipients, which many voters also believe.
     
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  13. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    Jul 16, 2017
    Considering the racist origins of welfare mom (see welfare queen) the implied assumption is that dad is in jail for the worst crime anyone can commit in the US: existing while being black.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I can remember listening to that stuff on daytime political talk back radio in the early 80s when i was sick and being looked after by my nana - she listened to that crap every day

    Solo mums were the scourge because they were on the benefits and had too many babies. There was quite a bit of double think about the absent dads because they should be paying child support but of course often they weren't. oddly that wasn't a huge topic
     
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  15. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    What's Kari Lake doing about this?

    1669025709761888256 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  16. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    Brazil's elections Court has barred Bolsonaro from running for office for eight years, citing his role fomenting the attack on Brazilian institutions.

    According to half of you, that ruling means Brazil is no longer a democracy. And others would argue we can't do the same here due to some imaginary lack of will.

    I cannot show you enough contempt in a post like this so you'll have to use your imaginations.
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    Didn't Italy do something like this to prevent Silvio from running again after he got convicted of some crimes?
     
  18. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    Banana republics can protect their democracies better than the beacon of democracy.
     
  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Oh yeah? Cause they don't have a 2nd Amendment!
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
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    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    yeah unfortunately
     
  21. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
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    Argentina
    It's pretty unhealthy.
     
  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    So no Kyle Rittenhouse in there?
     
  23. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
  24. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Colombia
    I remember someone being worried about the Biden administration openly ignoring a supreme court’s ruling:

     
  25. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Might want to post a line or two about what Alabama is actually doing? I mean since the tweeter couldn't be bothered?
     
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