Colombia Sub-20

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by Baal88, Apr 22, 2016.

  1. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    unfortunate that we're never able to find space through the middle because the goal scoring opportunities that happen on the flanks are at very uncomfortable angles
     
  2. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    they bring on Alessandro Fontanarossa who I believe is yet another CB lol.
     
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  3. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Lorenzo needs to pick the u20 coaches and they should be part of his staff

    in the first half you could see they needed to take out Ocampo and he didn’t.

    bringing in Hurtado by itself should get Cardenas fired
     
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  4. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Time to go home. It’s been real. But this team could of won it if they had a better defense strategy
     
  5. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Angel can get called to the Snt I don’t want to see any of these other guys. Man they all just shit their pants when they saw the Italian jersey
     
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  6. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    This has been, and always will be, THE problem.

    However, he has booked himself another 2 year contract by finishing this far. This is how things work.
     
  7. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    haha how I felt in 2014 and 2018 weak mentality of the players. We were better than Brazil, England and Italy. We just magically forget how to play when we see them
     
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  8. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Long ball long ball long ball. I hate that tactic
     
  9. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Now that's just dumb. If you cannot see the talent in this squad you're just as blind as Cardenas is.
     
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  10. jay luis

    jay luis Member+

    Sep 14, 2013
    Corona, Nyc
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    This is a talented squad yeah it sucks we lost they were sloppy yaddi yadda but overall a lot of talent . That being said I hope Nigeria wins and beats Italy lmao
     
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  11. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    now I can root for Italy in peace at least.
     
  12. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    they're just on another level, we're not there.
     
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  13. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    no they aren’t. 1st half we couldn’t pass the ball, kept slipping and had no first touch nor could cross

    Italy is ok. Cortes and Yaser didn’t pass the ball and Ocampo/Castillo god knows what they were doing
     
  14. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Not much for me to say. Defense finally came back to haunt us and that Casadei guy + a couple other players took advantage of it.

    Better well-rounded team with better tactics and execution won today.
     
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  15. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    We could've been, though, which is real disappointing.

    Frankly, Italy was only a little better than the teams we played in the group stage. Each of those games had the exact same trajectory. We played better for the first 20 minutes, give up a gol poorly, and than the opponents started to physically dominate us. In the 2nd half, we willed ourselves into gols. It just so happened that in those matches luck was more on our side, where we concretized some chances while our opponents kept dumping theirs.

    Salazar got beat on two headers. The third gol was freakish, but even that was lucky. Their 10 crossed it into our defender and it somehow wound up back in his feet.

    On the flipside, our team suffered today from the same thing it had been all tournament, too. Yaser does some fantastic dribbles, and loses it trying to take on a 4th defender. Cortes constantly cutting in rather than passing it forward to Salazar making a run to cross it in. Our opponents constantly attacking our right side either by pressing Ocampo or just letting him turn the ball over on his own.

    These are the signs of a team playing under a coach who has no tactics other than "let me try to get the best guys on the field"--which will never work if you can't even do that right. It's crazy how this team has 3 midfielders who can arguably play on the SNT right now (Asprilla, Cortes, and Puerta) and they barely ever link up.

    Give a halfway decent coach this roster, we probably win this game or, at least, play it evenly.
     
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  16. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    As the dust settles, let's think of what matters most in these tournaments: the development of future NT players and stimulus for tansfers abroad. Some big positives:

    -Fernando Alvarez looked decent in the Sudamericano, but he looked pretty great in this one. Like the kid's progress. And he's apparently getting looked at by Euro clubs without ever having played for Pachuca. This tournament may make his career.

    -Salazar was average at best in the Sudamericano. This tournament he put on some impressive performances. He plays the position the NT has had the most problems filling, so I wouldn't be surprised if Lorenzo starts bringing him into camps, even though he definitely isn't ready to play yet. And on the NT, he's never going to be that mismatched when defending a corner...

    -Mier had a couple MOTM performances. Like Salazar, plays a position Colombia is barren in. This was big.

    -Cortes is getting transferred this summer regardless, but he might've gotten a more lucrative suitor after his gols and assist.

    -Yaser and Puerta--I was hoping for more from them, but both showed they were men playing among boys. We need them playing 1st division futbol next year, and I think, given how far the team advanced, they've turned a few heads.
     
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  17. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Great posts, Sugar!
     
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  18. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    its the usual argument we usually give right? no good local managers around that can handle a talented team.

    well, we go back to the same problems we've always had in that the local league just refuses to progress.

    what a contrast to Carmine Nunziata's tactics, a well organized, disclipined team with an established foundation goes a long way

    a little bit of pressure, some physicality, make the most of the set pieces and it was over.
     
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  19. jay luis

    jay luis Member+

    Sep 14, 2013
    Corona, Nyc
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Im telling you , the fed need to stop picking up taxi drivers from el terminal to work as coaches for our youth teams man sheesh seriously . Same guys eating empanadas outside their cab talking about football on their breaks.
     
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  20. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I mean we still have fking Bolillo in the league haha

    we need some of the old players to become coaches or if you get fired you aren’t allowed to coach for another season.

    seems like the same bad coaches just move to better teams once fired
     
  21. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Eventually, we lost "thanks" to the poor defensive work and lack of tactical discipline. Italy wasn't great; Colombia let them do whatever they wanted inside the box because we were unconcentrated. Especially the third goal, which was humiliating. There are no magic tricks - Cardenas is a bad coach, and it showed from the Sudamericano through the friendly matches and ended in a poor performance against Italy. Only against Slovakia, we played great.
    Now we will have to wait and see who will be appointed (I hope he won't continue!).
     
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  22. jay luis

    jay luis Member+

    Sep 14, 2013
    Corona, Nyc
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Cárdenas fault for real . We just have crappy coaches in this country
     
  23. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    :) when I said it in 2014/18 with Pekerman tho he gets no blame. Just Colombian coaches

    I don’t know if the coaches are scared and that goes to the players but it’s at all levels and all our coaches
     
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  24. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    What a contrast having to watch Ocampo and Mattia Zanotti at the same time.
     
  25. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    there's no way he won't be reappointed. From a wins/losses perspective, including qualifiers, we lost what, 2 games? He lost his star striker in a team that wasn't so deep in the goal scoring department. And overall he didnt sit players like Yaser or even Angel. So he's not so stubborn not to seek out other ideas. We simply got beat by a better team and yes better coaching.

    U20s (or youth team in general) is kind of a thankless position. Probably not a high paid position.
    You have to find 50-100 of the best 16-19 year-olds in the country, many still underdeveloped, undertrained then select 25 or so that you can start to work with cohesively so they can play in a 2-3 week tournament and hopefully get a ticket to the WC. Even if you end up having a somewhat decent showing, your prize is to start the process all over again with a new set of variables/kids. At best, you can be a Rueda or Pekerman, spend years being successful at managing these categories and if the timing is right be called up to head the NT. I would still take Cardenas over Reyes.
     
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