News: 2023 FIFA U20 World Cup (May 20-June 11 : Argentina)

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  1. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let’s beat Uruguay and Israel and whoever in the final. Inferiority complex will be cured lol
     
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  2. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Belief is a powerful thing. I am rooting for our guys. It’s gonna happen at some point. Why not now?
     
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  3. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We have every advantages to win right now. Next tournament might not be kind to us.
     
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  4. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Yeah. Like again credit to Israel for sure but watching lot of this Brazil tram this tournament? They relied a lot on just being Brazil. Bit them against Italy and bit them against Israel.

    Doesn't mean if we beat Uruguay they'll be a cake walk either but you can see in this tournament which teams are there to compete and those that buy their hype
     
  5. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Korea and Nigeria both look utterly exhausted. Neither have been able to do much today. Nigeria doing a bit better.
     
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  6. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like this game will go into extra time
     
  7. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    they are very similar teams - very well organized defensively, very tenacious 1 on 1 defending, lacking much of any ideas on attack.

    the only thing i'd be worried about from a US perspective would be going too conservative on offense and not creating enough.....if you can score vs these teams, you win.
     
  8. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    LOL. In case you didn't know it, this Korea team is very good at headers.
     
  9. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    So far, a classic smash and grab. Korea have no business winning this game. They've had 4 shots total. That's been a shot every 25 minutes.
     
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  10. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Korea win in extra time with 4 shots and only 1 on target.
     
  11. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I'm glad Italy doesn't have to face Nigeria again.
     
  12. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    neither team did....

    biggest mistake playing these teams would be sitting back and playing into their hands...

    very good defenses but nothing going on in attack.
     
  13. rashaverak1961

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Jul 23, 2017
    Disappointing game for the US. Random thoughts;
    1. The US came out strong and controlled the pace for the first 10-12 min
    2. Uruguay eventually got off their back heels
    3. The first goal really took the wind out of our sails
    4. Several bad decisions on 1st goal, both the commit outside and Che went the wrong way.
    5. Cade Cowell is a real talent but needs to stop dribbling into traffic
    6. The own goal was unfortunate - there was some hope until then
    7. Feel badly for Pukstas - he couldn't get out of the way of Cowell's shot, headed for the net
    8. Uruguay kills time as well as any South American team
    9. Like all S American players Uruguayans learn early how to go down in a heap w little contact.
    10. Cowell and Slonina are the class of this team. Wondering when Cowell will head to Europe.
    11. Was hoping to see more of Paredes.
    The US players are technically very good. The ball movement in the first 10 minutes was wonderful to watch. We continue to nibble our way up the food chain.
     
  14. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Maybe or maybe of decades and decades of mostly getting out of the group, and going out in the R16 most of the time, and the quarterfinals a handfl of times gives us a pretty solid sense of where the US ranks. Top 8 is in reach. Top 4 doesn't seem to be.

    Just how it has always gone.
     
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  15. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The USA needs Soccer to surpass the popularity of Basketball and rival the NFL in order to get the athletic talent to have any chance at Top 4.
     
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  16. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Other than GKs and CBs you don't necessarily need players above 6 ft in order to have a great football team. I don't think competition for athletic talent is the main issue...
     
  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Oh, it's an issue. There's tons of great shorter athletes who never play soccer in this country. It's not about LeBron; it's about the kid that plays football or basketball instead and top out because of size but would have been better at a sport they never seriously considered.

    You can consider the cornerbacks or D1 point guards, but there's probably guys out there you don't even think of.

    One of my friends is a very driven, very coordinated, just barely below Olympic level medium and long distance runner. He's one of those people who is very good at every spot he plays. I have no idea if he would have been a great soccer player had he started at age 3, but he never played it. And he's like 5'6", so the sports he did play were never a real option. So he put his work ethic into running. But who knows?

    To be that elite player, you're going to have to start really young, and really love to play and focus on it. And there's just a lot of kids that do neither here, and as a %, it's a very small number compared to most soccer countries.
     
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  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It doesn’t need to surpass basketball at all, but there’s definitely work to do to grow the game at the grassroots level in a lot of different parts of the country.

    It’s less about whether we have the best athletes playing soccer and more about making sure we tapping our population to its full extent.
     
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  19. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    I suspect we lose more potentially great soccer players in this country to academics and other non-sports activities than to other sports. And that is totally fine.
     
  20. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Come on guys, where is the "We need more futsal at U6 level" post? We're slipping.
     
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  21. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    This YWC was a decent success if we understand the truth that this group had very few players that were projected to challenge as full MNT starters.

    Successes
    • The baseline was hugely improved. No low points on the roster except at 9.
    • The quantity and quality of the baseline midfielder has jumped up several levels
    • The style of play was modern and, at times, gorgeous. If we can develop mid ceiling players to this level of tactics and play style then future high value prospects are in good hands.
    Things to work on
    • The development of 9s is lagging. Pepi is an outlier and not part of continued success.
    • We may have a "Germany" issue. Very few stars but a lot of high level system players. I don't think this matches well with our national character. The point above may be related. Germany tends to have a 9 issue as well.
     
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  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair 9s are the hardest position to develop.

    Countries like Spain and Italy are also not thrilled with their 9s. France had two guys very good players in their mid 30s at the 9 initially for the World Cup (until Benzema got hurt).

    At the World Cup Brazil's primary starter at the 9 was Richarlison, a player who scored a total of one goal in the EPL this season.

    Feels like the only countries really happy with their situation at the 9 at current are England, Norway, and to a lesser extent Poland (on account of Lewandowski being 34). I guess you can throw Nigeria in there too.
     
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  23. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I should provide some background for the "Germany" statement from above.

    Germany and Brazil have been on the opposite poles of NT philosophies for a long while now. Germany develops system players while Brazil develops stars. Both are very successful but when Germany fails it is because of lack of high ceiling players while Brazil fails because of players that don't gel in to a coherent system.

    The contrast has been Holland and Uruguay which, with the limits of their population, does both. France seems to have also solved the dilemma recently.
     
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  24. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Felt Wiley showed why he had been successful as a straight line winger for Atlanta, but is only ok as a fullback. It felt like Varas went out of his way to avoid playing a back 4 with traditional fullbacks.
     
  25. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, so much for that... :confused:
     

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