Racism - Always and Forever

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by soccernutter, Jul 27, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Pinker:
    Stay the course! We’re doing great. The world is in good hands.
     
    Deadtigers repped this.
  2. Mike03

    Mike03 Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Yes, I'm serious. The externalities are mounting and competent, collaborative stewardship is on the wane. I have no faith in the longevity of these lifestyle improvements over the next century.
     
    bungadiri, Deadtigers and luftmensch repped this.
  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He can come across as a bit of a snob for sure.

    But his message is good IMO, just look at the response I got before yours, too many people are invested in the idea that the world is going to shit that they ignore the positive developments.
     
    BocaFan and superdave repped this.
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    No doubt. But there's always room for improvement. We have one party with tens of millions of followers who thought the 50s was the height of human achievement
     
    Deadtigers repped this.
  5. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s definitely an impressive physical feat, but these days you can buy your way into having a whole lot of assistance.
     
    Auriaprottu and soccernutter repped this.
  6. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most of those improvements were tied to the harnessing of cheap fossil fuel energy, and so are the mounting consequences.
     
    bungadiri, Deadtigers, Pønch and 3 others repped this.
  7. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The industrial revolution was thanks to burning massive amounts of wood and then coal for steam power.

    We improved our lives by cooking our planet.

    Let's not talk about the nature destruction we had to do to feed 9 billion people.
     
    luftmensch repped this.
  8. chaski

    chaski Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    redacted
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    The 1850s?
     
    raza_rebel, song219, russ and 1 other person repped this.
  9. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Either going the north route (from China) or K2 is a bigger accomplishment. They are both more technical climbs.
     
    luftmensch repped this.
  10. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would go further back and say that the improvement of the ship in the 1400s was the turning point. Because, on the 100,000 level, it is about both expanding influence and power, but also about improving connectedness and communication. Obviously we can drill down and get more nuanced, but that is what I see as the problematic starting point.

    But, one thing that I haven't read much on is how some of these benefits do have drawbacks. Vaccines are great, but what is the cost of having more people live, and live longer? I remember reading "Collapse" (by Jarrod Diamond) many years ago thinking how short sited some places were, like the Mayans and their massive monument building. Or those on Easter Island who kept chopping down trees even when it would have been obvious the harm. Additionally, I heard a recent report/interview with Rhodes' ex wife and a comparison was made between Rhodes and McVeigh. The interviewer basically said Rhodes was able to do what he did because of the internet. Had McVeigh had the internet, what he did would have been much different.
     
  11. Well, from the pov of people getting killed in wars, the number of wars fought it's a fact, but it's very selective.
     
  12. Mike03

    Mike03 Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Yes and labor / regulation arbitrage.
     
  13. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    You know who one of my favorite comic book artists is? Jack Kirby. Aside from being a major innovator in comics, he was also a badass. He drew recon maps when he was in WW2. But my favorite, was he once got a call from American Nazis saying they were after him (He was Jewish, like a lot of comics artists in that period). Kirby told them that he'd be right there and walked down. They were nowhere to be found.
     
    ElNaranja, song219, Dr. Wankler and 6 others repped this.
  14. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s also the guy who drew this, probably didn’t endear him to them.

    [​IMG]
     
    song219 repped this.
  15. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    #8540 rslfanboy, Jun 3, 2023
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2023
    I’d go with colossal, but ymmv.
    I agree “a bit” here. However, the takeaway should be:
    “We’ve done great stuff, so let’s keep on making it better.”
    NOT
    “We’ve done great stuff, so let’s pat ourselves on the back and have some margaritas.”

    Pinker handwaves away today’s bad actors, because he believes that they are just part of preordained march towards progress. For example, he’d probably say that pardoning Nixon was no big deal.

    He comes across like the kind of guy who would tell a rape victim that they are lucky to have been raped since the Me Too movement.
     
  16. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Dammit. I meant inexorable, but for some reason I typed exonerable, and I knew that wasn't right.
     
    feyenoordsoccerfan repped this.
  17. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    That actually might be the reason why Nazis were after him. That's the story I remember reading about him. Another I once read was he was willing to take on a local mob.

    Of course, Kirby was also an old school tough guy. He was two years younger than my great-grandmother and even she was tough in that old school way. Although in Kirby's case, he also grew up being a small time criminal until he discovered comics.
     
  18. Haha, at least you don't blame autocorrect but take full responsibility;)
     
  19. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    There was a video that just came out of a guy all wrapped-up in an insulated bag being carried down from Mt Everest on someone's back . :laugh::rolleyes:

    The whole thing has gotten a bit silly of late. If you're not able to do a climb on your own, then what's the point? Its, certainly not fun. Not inexpensive. Is it just for the bragging? :cautious:
     
    Deadtigers, soccernutter and luftmensch repped this.
  20. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    That's my guess.
     
    russ, Deadtigers, soccernutter and 2 others repped this.
  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    It is. Bucket list crap. I saw there was a mountaineering ban in Bhutan out of respect for the mountains. Tourism has made Everest a high altitude dump.

     
    rslfanboy, russ, Mike03 and 5 others repped this.
  22. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    ^ I reckon a lot of the blame for that is on Nepal. Even though there are way more people on Everest than there should be, it can't be all that impossible to clean up a place visited by 35k people per year.
     
  23. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    A roadless, snow covered area over 12K feet. That's probably as close to impossible an area to clean up especially for a poor country.
     
  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    A lot of climbers who likely feel half dead aren't gonna worry about humping down all their gear. So let those brokeass sherpas do it for $50
     
    Auriaprottu repped this.
  25. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    35k people a year visit Camp IV, or just the Everest Base Camp? Camp IV is way up in the “death zone,” even getting to it is extremely challenging, and so is getting back.
     
    Auriaprottu repped this.

Share This Page