Predicting the 2023 WWC roster

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by lil_one, Sep 9, 2022.

  1. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    #201 hotjam2, Jun 3, 2023
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    well maybe she needs faster team mates? lol. Have the NWSL ever ‘clocked’ its players to see who’s the fastest in the league?
    i would of thought maybe Ebony Salmon, though she didn’t get picked by the Lionesses. Meantime read that Thompson’s sister, Gisele, got all kinds of high school sprinting records, so perhaps her older sibling too?
     
  2. Klingo3034

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    Oct 11, 2019
    They should be able to get their info since they wear those devices on them. I’m betting Lynn Williams is still the fastest.
     
  3. Klingo3034

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    Oct 11, 2019
    I will tell you that if they had Sydney and Press back along with Thompson, it would be awesome!
     
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  4. Smallchief

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    #205 Smallchief, Jun 9, 2023
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    Not least of the rewards for making the National Team is the $300,000 each player on the winning team at the World Cup will receive. Not making the team: nothing. Making the team: $300,000.

    Average salary in the NWSL: $54,000. Quite a difference.
     
  5. Number007

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    Aug 29, 2018
    #206 Number007, Jun 9, 2023
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    I assumed this was well-known. Behavior aligns with the incentives. Take players like DeMelo and Howell on the same team. Making the team is multiples of their annual NWSL salary. Do you play for yourself or not? Think of the impact on a player who is in camps for much of the cycle, but is not selected.
     
  6. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

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    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
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    It seems to me the young ones who do not make the team will know, and likely have been told, they need to be playing to develop over the long term so as to be in the USWNT picture for the future. Playing in the NWSL just for yourself will not cut it from that perspective. Rather, they should and likely do know they should be working to maximize what they can contribute from a team perspective, which becomes more important at every higher rung of the ladder.
     
  7. ytrs

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    Jan 24, 2018
    They will make much more than that because of the equal pay agreement. They combine their take with the men's and divide it up.
     
  8. Number007

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    Aug 29, 2018
    the pay gap between the WNT and the next level players in the NWSL creates incentives that don't align. I wonder what the new league will look like
     
  9. Number007

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    Aug 29, 2018
    Maybe. Interested to see if development within the NWSL environment is good enough to secure future success.
     
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  10. ytrs

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    Jan 24, 2018
    I assume you are joking. Do you have anything positive to say?

    The amount of money an NFL QB makes does not align with his peers, but the NFL keeps thriving. Best players get paid. Best employees get paid. Welcome to life.
     
  11. Smallchief

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    I forgot to mention that the 300,000 dollar payout to the winner of the Women's World Cup will be from FIFA. Presumably, the US National Team will also be paying each player for their participation in the World Cup. So, the pay differential between making the NT and not making the national team is probably at least half a million dollars.
     
  12. Number007

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    Winning at team level aligns them. May be different if the majority of their salary came from making the pro bowl and the team was picked by two coaches.
     
  13. Smallchief

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    Actually left tackles and free safeties make more money on average than QBs.
     
  14. ytrs

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    Jan 24, 2018
    Not the top starting QB's. It is not even close. The USWNT players are the top players in the US in their sport, so of course they would get paid more.
     
  15. hotjam2

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    would like to think fringe NT’s like Mace/Coffey/Kornieck would make a bit more. NWSL is a bit confusing; it’s $1.375 mill team salary cap, but then $600K allocation. Individual cap should be at $75K(2022 figure), but then the Spirit pays Rodman $275K a year So how does this all work out?
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    there was an rumor going around(probably started by disgruntled fans) that Macario wanted one million dollars from Lyon to play one more season for them(this would of doubled what their paying their top players)).
    As it turned out she signed with Chelsea instead. The amount wasn’t disclosed but Sam Kerr makes an reported $600K an year from Chelsea, so you would think Sam & her team mates would get very jealous if Macario made more!
     
  16. WoSoFan

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    Dec 23, 2017
    Wonder if existing players at the time Sam Kerr signed with Chelsea were jealous for what she signed for when she joined the team. Besides the deal for Macario could be structured so as to not have her making more then Kerr salary wise, but overall she could end up making more. Maybe an undisclosed large signing bonus and the potential to make even more with certain performance clauses in contract: example team wins UWCL title.
     
  17. Number007

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    I wonder why salaries are so opaque in women's soccer. If Macario,Kerr etc are making $500k per year + salaries, then why are more USWNT players not playing in Europe?
     
  18. Number007

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    I doubt it and if so, I bet it didn't last long. i don't think its the English culture to worry about the optics. Plus Kerr is more than entitled to discuss an extension etc. That is the beauty of having Club soccer as the primary determinant of a player's value. Kerr has consistently proven herself to be one of the best goalscorers in the game. Her federation does not pay what the WNT does and in a salary-capped league like the NWSL (especially when she was in it) she was dramatically underpaid relative to her on-field value. She had to leave the NWSL to realize it. The NWSL structure underpays but it does offer the best exposure for players trying to make the WNT.
     
  19. WoSoFan

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    Dec 23, 2017
    I think a lot of players, who are already on the NT and many of those who aspire to be a member are actually trapped in the NWSL Let’s face it, not a whole lot of existing NT players have met with much success playing in Europe. Macario proved she doesn’t need the NWSL to make the NT, and Horan has increased her value for the NT by the success she has had there. Other than that, most of the NT players I guess never really had that much success in adjusting to the European style of play enough to want to stay longer. Thus it was probably in their best interest to quickly return to the security blanket of the NWSL where they could hopefully repair any tarnished ego or image that would keep them from missing out on the NT paycheck. With that kind of track record, just keeps others from taking any risk. On the other hand, the Canadian NT players have been quite successful playing in Europe. Of course, if their NT starts handing out the big bucks, then they will have the same problem should they start their own league.
     
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  20. Number007

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    I agree. An example of the incentives creating different paths and behavior. When your Club contract pays the bills, performance and availability there matters. The opposite also applies.
     
  21. taosjohn

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    I think all players everywhere try to play at least a season or two in every serious league, simply to familiarize themselves with all the players they might wind up facing at the WC or Olympics. I don't know as people are failing so much as not staying longer because they want to get home again.

    Join the Navy, see the world, but when your hitch is up, come home to where your friends and house and pets and favorite beach are... that sort of thing.
     
  22. hotjam2

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    it’s not like everybody’s getting big bucks over there. There’s really only five woso ‘super clubs’ in all of Europe paying that type of salary
    Arsenal Barca Chelsea Lyon Wolfsburg

    then there’s about five ‘fringe’ super clubs;
    Bayern, Man City. Man U, PSG Real Madrid
    (Got to call them fringe cuz it seems the top five keep buying up all their best players)

    I do believe that the top Euro players are generally better than US ones, but their spread out over 30 National Teams, and that’s why in the past we’ve always won because of our ‘depth’. But now our strength(depth) might be in jeopardy considering how good that Spanish B squad was last October
     
  23. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    This is a load of b.s. Name the USWNT players who played for any length of time in another league? Not the ones who stopped by for a cup of tea.
     
  24. WoSoFan

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