The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    You guys always talk about EPL, no, and how Pro/Rel is so great? Better yet, even though it has nothing to do with Pro/Rel which you guys say gather a lot of interest, let's see how Manchester City vs Manchester United do in ratings if the FA Cup final vs a league's final that has no Pro/Rel. I'm curious to see.
     
  2. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    So nothing to back up your claim regarding pro/rel playoff games? How… disappointing.

    Ah, and now the sound of moving goalposts.
     
  3. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Don't you know how to read? I clearly said, go ahead and compare Liga MX final to any Pro/Rel play offs. Take your pick of which ever league you like.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS has 30 teams across a geography the width of Europe, so they split it into regional leagues. They play inter-conference games to keep things interesting.

    If all 30 teams were in New York State, for instance, which is the same size as England, promotion and relegation would make a lot more sense.

    If someone suggested a 20 team super league in Europe spanning from Dublin to Istanbul, where teams play each other home and away, people would look at you like you're crazy.

    You can compare the US geographically to Brazil, Russia or China but their top teams tend to be concentrated in particular regions.

    My point, rather than having pro/rel system it would be more sensible to have Eastern and Western divisions where you don't get the scenario where Vancouver or Seattle end up playing 12 or 15 games on the East Coast.

    As far as the English Football League is concerned, I think people are OK with the open system but it evolved. It didn't happen because of some foreign principle of fair play.

    The teams knocking on the door were financially better run and more ambitious than the 4th Division's bottom dwellers, at a time when football's popularity was at an all-time low. Money eh?
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the question?
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Women's college basketball is more popular than the Premier League according to the March Madness figures.
     
  7. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    What I'm saying is FFP doesn't impact Leicester City any more than it impacts anybody else. Its not the reason Leicester City have failed anymore than its the reason Brighton have succeeded.
     
  8. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    You don't understand the issue at all.
     
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  9. BOSNAINTER

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    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    so let me get something straight mx league hd pro/rel since begining of their existance but do to covid they suspended it for few years and american fan logic is "look they are popular and don't have pro/rel" you that stupid or believe people around you are that stupid and they will not see this
     
  10. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because in their mind there ISN'T an issue.

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    #37411 M, Jun 3, 2023
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2023
    Ah, so you just resort to an insult.

    You made a claim regarding US TV viewing of “pro/rel playoff” games versus the Liga MX final. It’s incumbent on you to indicate which “pro/rel playoff” games you are referring to that have recently been on US TV. And of course you haven’t addressed the point that you’re comparing a top level league final versus games at level 2 or lower.
     
  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL....always qualifiers and caveats.......
     
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  13. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    You have never followed or seen a Liga MX game in your life yet you think you know how they have operated in the past or the reason they said they are pausing Pro/Rel or the conditions they'll bring it up. You are a clear example of someone who speaks out of his ass.
     
  14. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Are you able to discuss without resorting to insults?
     
  15. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    What part of "take your pick, you choose the game" don't you understand? 2 replies already from you but not a single stat. Are you too afraid to make the comparison?
     
  16. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I'm trying to determine which "pro/rel playoff" games you are comparing against. As you made a claim, it's incumbent on you to give at least one instance of a game you are making a comparison against regarding US TV coverage. I'm all ears.
     
  17. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I wasn't insulting you, just responding the same way to how I was responded. Funny you only call me out on the insults.
     
  18. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    The last two posters you've responded to, myself being one of them, you've chosen to throw in an insult. I think that should be called out.
     
  19. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
     
  20. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    #37420 M, Jun 3, 2023
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2023
    This is what you originally wrote:

    "Anyone seen what Liga MX final viewership numbers were here in the US? Compare them to any Pro/Rel game play offs lol."

    Ok, I'll play that game. You are comapring the Liga MX game against Notts County's playoff final against Chesterfield. Got it. Of course, why you would compare a top level game against a fifth level promotion final is not clear.

    You then moved the goalposts to say:

    "I was comparing a final to a "final" that decides if you stay in the top division or not. But you are welcome to compare it to any game you like, see fit or fits your agenda."

    I don't see any relegation playoff final that's been played in a major European league. There will be pro/rel playoff between a Bundesliga 1 and a Bundesliga 2 team in a few days.
     
  21. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    A pedant writes.

    There is no final that decides whether you stay in the top division.
     
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  22. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Care to compare it then or previous games?
     
  23. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Is it on US TV?

    But given that that game involves a second level team, it's not clear why you would want to compare it against a first level championship final.
     
  24. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Bundesliga. But according to several here games in EPL for lower table teams gather a lot of interest yet I've mentioned before that the viewership numbers here in the US don't reflect those pipe dreams you all have.

    I even said I was curious to see the numbers of the FA Cup, which has nothing to do with Pro/Rel, compared to the Liga MX final. FA Cup has 2 very popular EPL teams. The other poster said I was moving the goalpost lol. I was actually helping him since I am sure that 2 very popular EPL teams in a final SHOULD draw big numbers.
     
  25. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Don't you argue that a league without Pro/Rel doesn't gather interest? Now YOU are moving the goalpost by saying it isn't fair because it's a final for a top division. So does a league with no Pro/Rel gather interest or not? Make up your mind.
     
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