Let’s talk about The European Super League

Discussion in 'Juventus' started by IcEWoLF, Apr 18, 2021.

  1. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    Not sure you get it. The issue isn't that we are complaining about being outspent by wealthier sides. We would prefer to be part of a proposed competition that increases our revenue, therefore making us more relevant in the world game, more likely to sign top talent, and hold no particular allegiance to FIGC or UEFA.
     
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  2. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Increase your revenue at the expense of what?

    The money has to come from somewhere and since Super League replaces UEFA, the obvious source of the extra money is UEFA's profit. But UEFA hardly retains any money. Are Super League's broadcast rights worth more than the UEFA package of CL, Europa League, and Conference? How is that justified? If there's more money because of more games, won't players want a piece of that pie?

    The other way you would be taking home more money is by taking money away from other teams. Why would they put up with that? If you want to split a larger portion of the money based on participation or "founders status" then why would teams that perennially perform well in UEFA accept that?

    Are you really leaving UEFA just to escape the FFP rules? What do you gain by spending more than 70% of your revenues on players? Why would the owners put up with that? Do you replace FFP with a Super League salary cap? Why would players want that?

    The idea is more money for more people but the devil's in the details. If the biggest clubs are all on board, and you think that as a midsized club you're going to be benefited, you should consider it more deeply. They aren't joining to make less money.
     
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  3. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    Like it or not, Euro football needs to be restructured or soon the Euro part will become irrelevant for all but a few of clubs outside of the Prem.

    FIFA, UEFA, FIGC are all corrupt to their core. A new structure is needed, like it or not.
     
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  4. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    Those are valid questions that I'm sure are being asked by club executives. Obviously, the club would not elect to make such a move unless it perceives the move as financially lucrative.

    What is a fact is that, as presently situated, the Prem clubs are financially shoulders above the rest of their European counterparts. If a club like Juve have a way to bridge that gap (again, if it's feasible), why not? They certainly don't owe anything to FIGC.
     
  5. You could cheer up the French as these for more than a year now and with increasing anxiety watched Dutch clubs performances.
    They had a sigh of relieve when AS Roma eliminated Feyenoord, as this gave them some (temporaly?) breathing space in their struggle to keep the 5th spot.
    So what are you cackling about?
    https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Art...des-pays-bas-pour-le-coefficient-uefa/1391333
    La France reste sous la menace des Pays-Bas pour le coefficient UEFA
    Avec le nul de Nice à Bâle et les résultats contrastés des Néerlandais, tout reste ouvert dans la course à la cinquième place de l'indice UEFA, que la France doit conserver.

    Indice UEFA : le scénario qui pourrait faire perdre la 5e place à la France
    [​IMG]Linternaute.com|5 days ago
    INDICE UEFA. La cinquième place de la France au coefficient UEFA est menacée par les Pays-Bas avec l'élimination de l'OGC Nice en quart de finale de la Ligue Europe Conférence. La France ...

    Football Coefficient UEFA : pourquoi le classement de la France est menacé
    [​IMG]Le Journal de Saône-et-Loire|5 days ago
    Avec la défaite jeudi soir de Nice, dernier représentant tricolore en Europe, la place française au coefficient UEFA pourrait être, au terme de la saison, menacée. On vous explique.

    Football : pourquoi la perte de la 5e place à l'indice UEFA serait dommageable pour les clubs français
    [​IMG]Europe1|2 days ago
    Après l'élimination de tous ses clubs dans les trois coupes d'Europe cette saison, la France pourrait perdre sa cinquième place à l'indice UEFA au profit des Pays-Bas. Une rétrogradation au sixième ra
     
  6. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    They were talking on the US boards about the Super League.

    Is there any recent news on this front?
     
  7. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
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  8. juventino13

    juventino13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    Caribbean
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Well this shit is dead, Juve have supposedly abandoned the SL project.
     
  9. cizko

    cizko Member

    Juve
    Italy
    Jul 14, 2017
    :) This was a massive fail from the start. Fantastic job Agnelli :thumbsup:
     
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  10. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
  11. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  12. juventino13

    juventino13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2005
    Caribbean
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    A little extortion with my coffee this morning.
     
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  13. cizko

    cizko Member

    Juve
    Italy
    Jul 14, 2017
    On the other hand (internal discussion with myself), if we went this far, why wouldn't we wait for the European Court ruling? Although if they threaten us with 5 years, holy hell.
     
  14. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Juve have officially given notice that they are withdrawing from the ESL.
     
  15. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  16. dean smith

    dean smith Member

    Juventus
    England
    Jan 17, 2021
    Good move imo. This will get eufa off our backs and save us from being banned from European competitions
     
  17. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
     
  18. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    This is an interesting development. If there is actual proof that UEFA did this, I think they are in trouble based on the previous Euro court decision.

    Clearly these are the actions of a monopolist which are illegal under Euro law.

    Maybe our 'capitulation' was a strategic move?
     
  19. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don’t care about anything Agnelli has to say, he got Juve into the trouble it is. He can ******** off.
     
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  20. Daei_10

    Daei_10 Member+

    Aug 22, 2007
    LA, California
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I stopped believing we are smart enough to do things like that. We keep thinking we are playing 4D chess.
     
  21. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Well, well, well...
     
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  22. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    That is completely different from a Super League created by bankers and for-profit owners... This would be created by UEFA and have promotion and relegation from the get-go. It is a completely different proposal than the Super League, and I doubt there will be any fan in the world who will oppose this.

    Also, it doesn't really solve the money problem for second-tier leagues and teams. Italian clubs won't suddenly be able to compete with top EPL teams to sign the next hot player/coach.
     
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  23. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #300 Orange14, Oct 2, 2023
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2023
    No team in Europe, except those bankrolled by oil money, can compete with the EPL. The amount of TV money they receive is immense. Italian teams will continue to have to sell players to balance the financial books.

    EDIT: UEFA have introduced a new cost control schema to replace Finanicial Fair Play (which really never worked). The Swiss Ramble has a good discussion of this: https://swissramble.substack.com/p/uefa-squad-cost-control-ratio-2023 although it mostly focuses on the EPL, he does have data on other leagues .

    "UEFA director Andrea Traverso suggested that “Italian clubs will be the ones who have to work hardest” to meet the new targets. His view is supported when looking at the cost control ratios for Italy’s leading clubs, as only Atalanta are currently below 70%. All the other clubs are above target, especially Roma 117% and Juventus 97%."​
     

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