US Goalkeeper discussion thread - Part III

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by ussoccer97531, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, JFC, are there really people saying that?
     
  2. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, B Cos U know MLS suX amIrite?
     
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  3. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    not taunting, legitimately curious, what is the lowest tier you’d want him to go? If charlton, Portsmouth, oxford, someone in league one says we want him in….. Would you think good move? ……. Venezia?
     
  4. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think League 1 would have made sense, during this period he's just playing for the reserves. Because it'd actually be games under pressure.

    Now that he's getting to the offseason where he's opening himself up to loans across the globe, he has to go somewhere around equal to MLS, where he was already decent. I think a projected relegation-battler in the C'Ship, like what Birmingham was to Trusty, may be good. Or he could go outside England, where the relegation/promotion madness isn't as heightened, and they may not want to trust a young gk. Maybe the ol trust Lowlands, or 2. BL.
     
  5. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Big/historic club in League 1 is probably the lowest I’d like to see Gaga go.

    Excited to see where he ends up for 23/24.

    Somewhere in the Championship or League 1 is fine. Somewhere on the continent at a decent level works too.
     
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  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The guy already demonstrated he can be a quality keeper in MLS.

    In England.............Championship.

    But he has the ability to start in first divisions across Europe.

    My worry is actually that he's promoted to the #2 keeper at Chelsea (because we know they really like him) and barely plays. Cuz they're not making Europe.
     
  7. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    same. thats the last thing that I want. I would all be for a bit of a ladder. I agree with who said, if it is a "big" league 1 club. Which at this juncture could be a Derby or Sheffield Wednesday. They should be strong favorites for promo (if one or both dont go up). Then on to the Championship, same principle.......Pretty much any Championship level club would be cool. Then I think that sets the foundation for top flight. Im all for a loan or two.
     
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  8. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    To be fair, the downhill slide picked up steam once Saliba (their best defender )got injured.

    Not saying that is THE reason, but its definitely a factor...
     
  9. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Really hope Slonina goes on a loan to either the Championship, League One or some Belgian/Dutch team for next season.
     
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  10. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Slonina is still quite young but I think you are spot on. Getting quality minutes in first team duty at this point will serve him better than playing on the Chelsea U23s.
     
  11. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well Coventry just denied us a wembley GK yank off sadly. Steffen and Middlesbrough lost 1-0. Horvath gets a chance to help send Luton up, and possibly a permanent transfer in doing so.
     
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  12. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Celentano not on the list of 60 but at least his team is top of MLS

     
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  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Can we all say neither Celentano or Callendar as going to play in the Nations League? So it doesn't matter which of them is on that provisional roster?

    No..............really. The vets like Turner and/or Horvath will take the Nations League games.

    I expect Celentano and Callendar to get the Gold Cup opportunities.
     
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  14. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    So, of the three, who had the best year?

    Steffen or Horvath or Turner?
     
  15. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They may not want to take them away from their MLS teams for a tournament where they’d just sit the bench.
     
  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still not top 60 worthy
     
  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    So now this opens up a spot this summer. Nations League? Horvath, Turner, and Johnson? Gold Cup? Slonina, Celentano, and Callendar? I'd rather Callendar and Celentano get games in the Gold Cup than sit on the bench for the Nations League.
     
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  18. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    How much of a hit will this be on the interest from clubs in signing him?
     
  19. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to Twellman, Petrovic is significantly better than Matt Turner. Agree? Or hot air?
     
  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Last year's shot stopping numbers were slightly better by the end of the year than Turner's best year in MLS. Probably not significantly better in the mathematical sense.

    But this year, he's well below league leaders and after last night's three goals, is closer to average.

    Where the impressive thing about Turner is that he had historic-level seasons for 2 years with two other GOTY level stuff.

    It's early in the MLS season, and I don't know that Petrovic's numbers aren't a bit of bad luck. For example, the goals last night weren't exactly saveable (or at least two of the three I remember).

    But it's also possible he was on a heater last year and isn't quite that good. Eyeball test tells me he's very, very good, though. Better than Turner is likely to be splitting hairs.

    He's much younger, so he's going to fetch more. I think he's better than Turner started with his feet but not better now.

    As for Twellman, he's been saying that every since someone fed him a stat midway through last year where Petrovic was waaaaaay better than anyone had ever been. And he's never changed his POV.

    He's great, though. The Revs paid $600k for him and are going to net something massive. Whoever did that scouting is next level.
     
  21. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fact that Celentano wasn't on the provisional roster was indeed a bad indicator about his GC prospects. That means he's not 4th or 5th on the depth chart right now.

    But there was an ostensible managerial switch, so who knows what Callaghan or the shadow skipper thinks of him. There also could have been a reactionary response to Celentano's uncharacteristically poor performance shortly before that roster was announced. He's since bounced back.

    As I've said, I think it was a big mistake to give Slonina and Johnson those 3 cupcake camp starts. It was an opportunity for Celentano or Callendar to have an opportunity. And that's what the GC should be used for, like it was for Turner. But I'm not optimistic. I think the caps will be heavily given to Horvath. I'm a proponent of him being there. But the comp should be open with them alternating starts or giving the competition a real match, not Grenada or something.
     
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  22. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yes, Celentano is probably at best 5th on the USMNT depth chart right now. I personally have him 5th, so...................

    Turner
    Horvath
    Steffen
    Slonina

    [I think Slonina is awesome, and the future #1. I won't be surprised if he's elevated to #2 at Chelsea next year. Still only 19.]

    Then Callendar and Celentano in some order.
    After taking a look at both, is it possible that Hudson had Callendar ahead of Celentano on his depth chart? Yes. Is that such an outrage? No.

    Can that change quickly? Of course.

    And being 5th or 6th on the depth chart puts him squarely in the frame for a callup this summer. Now that Steffen is out, it definitely should.
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whoscored average player ratings put Steffen at #19 and Horvarth at #36 did goalkeepers in the Championship.

    >10 appearances Steffen is #13 and Horvarth #27.
     
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  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Notably Celentano is on the Gold Cup provisional roster and I bet he ends up on the actual Gold Cup roster.
     
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  25. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An A-/B+ team provisional roster isn't particularly notable and doesn't say he would have been on the A/A- roster even now, let alone before when a different guy ostensibly picked it.

    You'll also note that Callender is on both provisional rosters, but Celentano is not. So that indicates he's rated lower, or at least was.

    Now we'll see what transpires with the much more select A-/B+ team final roster. If Horvath wasn't available for this one, but is that one, it's even more difficult of a proposition for Roman.

    Again, your reasoning they can't have 2 MLS keepers from different teams out for the same tournament makes 0 sense (I'll bet they have 2 MLS keepers regardless) so that was never the thinking.
     

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