They Needed a Minivan but Got a Gio: Reyna at Nottingham Forest (Olf Borussia Dortmund)

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  1. ShayG

    ShayG Member

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    Stay in the chariot Gio, I guarantee you’ll win the race.
     
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  2. dspence2311

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    Bingo. He is going to be fine. Not everyone will miss what he offers. FFS, every time he steps on the pitch and gets a few touches in traffic it is evident that he has special vision and technique.
     
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  3. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
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    Still hold my breath from his hammies every time he twists, turns, or sprints though
     
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  4. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

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    Limited playing time may have very well been a part of his medical regimen. Allowing him to slowly rebuild his muscles and fitness to full strength. It makes perfect sense to be cautious with him given his history.
     
  5. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
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    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I thought it was all about more playing time? Now you are just settling for the bragging rights to say, "Well, Reyna rides bench...but he rides it at Real."

    That is exactly how this post comes across.
     
  6. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

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    Not worth it to engage
     
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  7. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

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    if hes going to ride bench i'd rather it be at the biggest club possible

    real is a level or two above dortmund

    but yeah playing time is important, and preferable

    how would yu grade dortmmund's handling of reyna?

    i dont think it has been great....

    I want him at a club that will develop him to his highest potential
     
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  8. y-lee-coyote

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    I think Dortmund are one of the best in the world at maximizing the value of their assets.

    As for Reyna specifically, not enough is known to judge whether they could have played him more. We really don't know how he came out of any of those minutes he played. Was there any post game inflammation or tightness?? Realistically any more long term hammy issues could be career ending/limiting, wouldn't an ultra-cautious approach for such a young player be warranted. If they had played him nine full games down the stretch and he ripped his hammy how would you feel then, would you be here ranting about they rushed him back too quickly?

    There is also an ancillary benefit to having him not being featured much. The mommy/daddy USMNT issues are not being kept alive in every postgame, that news died a quiet death for all but the most avid of USMNT fans. His lack of Pt probably accelerated that death. His behavior at the world cup was anywhere near as bad as has been reported, then perhaps he has some "issues" he needs to work on, and practicing like a professional may be high on that list. I mean I doubt he waited until the world cup to start practicing like that. Dortmund have significant financial interest in keeping any negatives about a player out of the press.
     
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  9. russ

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    Dortmund have specifically said there was no such behavior occurring at the club.
     
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  10. MayaDempsey

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    The maximization comes from buyers getting what they paid for….the opposite of the dishonesty you accuse them of.
     
  11. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Real is fifty levels above Dortmund if you add historical success. But bench at Dortmund, Real or SSA Anterwerpen still means he's not playing.

    Look, I was calling for Reyna to get minutes over Malen...every single time. But Malen REALLY turned it up, earned his spot. Coach was right, I was wrong. That said, I think he could have gotten more runs out on the pitch.

    I enjoy watching him play and I hope he stays and I hope he gets more playing time. I have seen him for the last few years and I like what he brings.
     
  12. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
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    I havent watched dortmund this season at all...but I find it curious that the other players are somehow better than reyna...i dont buy it. he has the highest g/a per minute in the entire bundesliga and hes not even a striker.......in hindsight I cant see how you can look at how the whole season went and say the coach knew what he was doing. He blew it.
     
  13. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    #10463 Cris 09, May 31, 2023
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    Well, as I stated before, Brandt, Malen and Guerrero were the "Bundesliga Players of the Month" for Jan, Feb, March and April. They not only kept Reyna on the bench but Reus and Bynoe-Gittens as well, who seemed to be the new shiny object.

    Between Malen, Haller and Adeyemi, they scored a shit ton of goals, had assists and were amazing to watch. I saw them live vs Frankfurt in May (4-0) and when you can see the whole pitch (beyond just what TV can show you) it was a perfect symphony.

    You said you didn't watch Dortmund - if you had, you'd understand a bit better. It's not that Reyna is better (I think Brandt was amazing this second half of the season and is a better player) or worse or getting f^cked by Terzic...it's that these players were clicking and current form is what matters. BVB went from zero title aspirations in 6th or 7th place when the 2nd half of the season to levelling on points* with the eventual BuLi champions.



    *and throwing the title away on the final day - that still really hurt very badly to me.
     
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  14. russ

    russ Member+

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    We call this an ELITE Big Soccer move.
     
  15. MayaDempsey

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    The big irony is the second half surge doesn’t happen without the two very late goals from Reyna. Him bailing them out made the “starters” seem better than they were.
     
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  16. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

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    Nice! Valid point.
     
  17. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

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    #10467 adam tash, May 31, 2023
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    exactly - even though I didnt watch full dortmund games I did tune in when gio got subbed on a few times and did catch all of the highlights of him in action, mostly.

    and preusing transfermarkt just now - he had 2 game winners in january - one in 20 mins of action and one in 28 mins of action - also had a game tyer in just 8 mins of action in April....and just now had 2 assists in limited minutes trying to get the title on the last game.....

    he accounted for 8 of dortmunds points down the stretch in only 83 total minutes of play!!!

    there's no argument that can convince me he shouldnt have been playing A LOT MORE.

    yeah the "starters" were banging in goals.....but it seemed like every time the team couldnt do their normal symphony...gio came on and got sht done.....I have rarely ever seen such a display not rewarded with serious playing time in my decades of following the sport

    Dortmund wouldnt have been close to the title without Gio and yet the coach treated him as an afterthought
    good chance it was economic considerations driving the coaching decisions - gio's value basically is already what it is - but if they spread the playing time around and get the other players' values high as well....more money for dortmund.....
     
  18. russ

    russ Member+

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    The role of Joker is pretty well known in German soccer.Its the guy who isn't your best 90 minute player but who can come on against tired legs or subs who aren't up to snuff and make or score late goals.
    It's pretty good that Gio found that niche at the end of the year.He will get his shot at the first XI soon enough.
     
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  19. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Look Nick, I'm not going to bullshit you. I don't know you. I don't know your work. But I think that you are a very, very talented young man and I'm never wrong about these things...
     
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  20. dams

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    #10470 dams, May 31, 2023
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    The way that last game went down couldn't have hurt Gio's standing in my opinion. More than one of the starters went out there and soiled their shorts while Gio came in and played like a big boy.

    Terzic caught lightning in a bottle through that second half of the season and it is understandable why he did not mess with success, but in the end it wasn't enough. He piled a lot of miles on Brandt and Bellingham. Julian got injured and never regained the elite form that he had displayed earlier in the season. Jude was injured for that last game and that injury almost certainly cost Dortmund the title. It can never be known, but a bit more rotation by Terzic and things might have been different.

    Bellingham was the engine that made that team run. Brandt had a great run of form, but based on his entire body of work at Dortmund, I'm not sure I'd bet on another year out of him at that level of play. Particularly without Jude there.

    We will see what happens regarding Gio next year and who Dortmund brings in this summer. But you would have to guess that Terzic won't have quite the same level of latitude next season when it comes to persevering with the status quo as he would have had if he brought that title to BVB.
     
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  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

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    Sometimes I suspect almost no one here ever watches the actual league games.
     
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  22. jond

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    LMAO dude.
     
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  23. MayaDempsey

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    Sounds like the story of every utility infielder ever.
     
  24. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    #10474 Cris 09, May 31, 2023
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    100% true but you act like that was the only factor.
    The second half surge doesn't happen if Haller doesn't start scoring goals.
    The second half surge doesn't happen if Adeyemi doesn't start scoring goals.
    The second half surge doesn't happen if Malen doesn't start scoring goals.
    The second half surge doesn't happen if Terzic doesn't have the balls to bench Reus.
    The second half surge doesn't happen if Brandt didn't become the player he was again when he was at Leverkusen
    The second half surge doesn't happen if Schlotterbeck doesn't get injured and benched Mats Hummels forms this amazing partnership with Sule in the back

    Reyna's 2 goals were 4 points. BVB would have ended 2nd, which is what happened anyway. I think they were very important in the title race, but Jesus, take it down a notch. Big picture dude.

    Dortmund were in it to win the league, not the money. The money is nice, but when you are fighting for the title, you are OK throwing money out the window. I doubt there was any financial consideration or Jude Bellingham, who we know is leaving, would have played little minutes.


    Anyway, I am arguing a lost case against people here that haven't watched a match, just highlight reels and looked at spreadsheets. Enjoy your summer, lads.
     
  25. russ

    russ Member+

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    Pinch hitters.Not that they exist anymore.
     

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